Dan, you’re lucky. In LA if you don’t have a car, you’re scum. Not that I don’t enjoy driving per se - I love it. Except that there’s no real point in this environment these days.
Hrant I haven’t had to drive a car since I moved into NYC 12 1/2 years ago. Subways, trains and my bikes and of course walking are the best ways to get around the metropolitian area. When do you think oil futures will hit $100 a barrel (Christmas?).
Thanks Eric! That website is great!
And at least, it solves the problem of trying to write the sound phonetically.
—
No + Oil = Noil
It’s pretty close to Neu.
Regarding the gas price, I just don’t understand this :
when the price of the oil barrel goes up, the price at the gas station goes up THE SAME DAY. Hey, the fuel I’m putting in my car right now has been refined many days/weeks ago.
I don’t own a car, but I know there are pretty cool hybrid cars coming from Honda and Toyota. And I’m sure many european companies will offer these soon.
We have to think green!
Because Helvetica is a feminine word the adjective takes the feminine case, neue. And is therefore pronounced noya. This is stretching the limits of my remembered german, so I hope this is correct and please don’t ask me to say why Helvetica is feminine.
Tim
Chevy is also developing hybreds using hydogen and the park police here have been using the Toyota gas/electric hybreds for the last couple of years. The taxi commission (geniuses) have decided to let taxi companies the option of purchasing hybreds rather than the gas guzzlers they now drive. One other thing about hybreds is they make almost no noise. That electricity is stealthy quiet.
Helvetica could be feminine in German for three reasons:
1. The word for writing and/or a typeface (Schrift) is feminine: die Schrift. In German, Helvetica (or any other typeface name) is often used in context, i.e., die Helvetica Schrift…
2. Helvetica is derived from the Latin name of Switzerland, Confederatio Helvetia. In Latin, I think I can remember that Helvetia is a first declention noun, and therefore feminine. So Helvetica would be feminine because the Latin Helvetia is feminine.
3. Switzerland in German is also feminine, die Schweiz, maybe because of the Latin root? Not all nation-names are feminine in German, though. Germany and France are both neutral (Deutschland and Frankreich) because their suffixes (Land and Reich) are also neutral nouns (das Land and das Reich… country and empire, respectively).
Lastly, at Linotype (where German in spoken), all typeface names are feminine. This must be because of reason number 1, I guess.
I do not know what the gender of Font is, however.
the only thing id add here is that “neue” isnt really pronounced noya, but noye with the e like in “feminist”.
timd: you mixed something up. something is “neu” (new), but its the “neue” (new one). this has nothing to do with feminine or masculine - there are no cases for adjectives in german.
well, yes. i played this through in the train today and there are some adjectives that change, and some dont. neu is one that doesnt. “die neue schrift”, “der neue baum”, “das neue buch” (the new font, the new tree, the new book, all three cases are the same). i just didnt think about any other adjectives, thats why i wrote that (wrong) thing about no cases for adjectives in german.
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9.Sep.2005 5.58am
It IS German. It means “new”, and is pronounced something like “noy-a”
9.Sep.2005 7.40am
Great ! That’s what i thought.
My german isn’t what it use to be...
Thanks Dan.
9.Sep.2005 8.24am
Yeah. Unfortunately most U.S. designers call it Helvetica New (in a more French pronunciation).
9.Sep.2005 8.39am
Guess you don’t own a noy-uh Porsh-uh!
9.Sep.2005 10.50am
Yeah. It’s nice to see a font not having it’s name translated to English.
But since i’m french, it’s sounds more like “Helvetica noeud”.
9.Sep.2005 10.56am
I don’t even have an old 356c Norbert :-)
ChrisL
9.Sep.2005 11.38am
What I drive is more like a box than a Boxster.
9.Sep.2005 12.09pm
You mean you drive a Cab instead of a Cabriolet:-)
ChrisL
9.Sep.2005 12.28pm
Chris, that’s no fare! :(
9.Sep.2005 1.11pm
I don’t drive at all but I ride my bike and I don’t consume $4 a gallon fuel.
9.Sep.2005 1.39pm
Dan, you’re lucky. In LA if you don’t have a car, you’re scum. Not that I don’t enjoy driving per se - I love it. Except that there’s no real point in this environment these days.
hhp
9.Sep.2005 1.47pm
Hrant I haven’t had to drive a car since I moved into NYC 12 1/2 years ago. Subways, trains and my bikes and of course walking are the best ways to get around the metropolitian area. When do you think oil futures will hit $100 a barrel (Christmas?).
9.Sep.2005 1.54pm
Whenever the oil companies think is a good time.
hhp
9.Sep.2005 1.56pm
Hrant, Oil Futures are set by Wall St. Its their guess on what the oil companies think.
9.Sep.2005 2.02pm
All is fare in this brave neue world :-)
ChrisL
10.Sep.2005 8.23am
I looked up on this :
http://dict.leo.org/?lp=ende&lang=en&searchLoc=0&cmpType=relaxed&relink=...
1st listing, click on the speaker. It says ’noy’ ?
10.Sep.2005 8.34am
• It says ‘noy’ ?
Now that’s a-noy-ing!
10.Sep.2005 10.14am
Good thing it isn’t Elliot Noyes:-)
ChrisL
10.Sep.2005 10.51am
Thanks Eric! That website is great!
And at least, it solves the problem of trying to write the sound phonetically.
—
No + Oil = Noil
It’s pretty close to Neu.
Regarding the gas price, I just don’t understand this :
when the price of the oil barrel goes up, the price at the gas station goes up THE SAME DAY. Hey, the fuel I’m putting in my car right now has been refined many days/weeks ago.
I don’t own a car, but I know there are pretty cool hybrid cars coming from Honda and Toyota. And I’m sure many european companies will offer these soon.
We have to think green!
11.Sep.2005 2.05am
Because Helvetica is a feminine word the adjective takes the feminine case, neue. And is therefore pronounced noya. This is stretching the limits of my remembered german, so I hope this is correct and please don’t ask me to say why Helvetica is feminine.
Tim
11.Sep.2005 4.07am
Chevy is also developing hybreds using hydogen and the park police here have been using the Toyota gas/electric hybreds for the last couple of years. The taxi commission (geniuses) have decided to let taxi companies the option of purchasing hybreds rather than the gas guzzlers they now drive. One other thing about hybreds is they make almost no noise. That electricity is stealthy quiet.
11.Sep.2005 4.46am
http://www.dtu.dk/English/About_DTU/News.aspx?guid={E6FF7D39-1EDD-41A4-BC9A-20455C2CF1A7}
Don’t let oil companies know about this.
Tim
11.Sep.2005 4.49am
Helvetica could be feminine in German for three reasons:
1. The word for writing and/or a typeface (Schrift) is feminine: die Schrift. In German, Helvetica (or any other typeface name) is often used in context, i.e., die Helvetica Schrift…
2. Helvetica is derived from the Latin name of Switzerland, Confederatio Helvetia. In Latin, I think I can remember that Helvetia is a first declention noun, and therefore feminine. So Helvetica would be feminine because the Latin Helvetia is feminine.
3. Switzerland in German is also feminine, die Schweiz, maybe because of the Latin root? Not all nation-names are feminine in German, though. Germany and France are both neutral (Deutschland and Frankreich) because their suffixes (Land and Reich) are also neutral nouns (das Land and das Reich… country and empire, respectively).
Lastly, at Linotype (where German in spoken), all typeface names are feminine. This must be because of reason number 1, I guess.
I do not know what the gender of Font is, however.
11.Sep.2005 6.24am
Tim,
Yeah, they’d probably send their best assassins/suicide bombers to take care of that.
11.Sep.2005 7.14pm
Thanks again Dan! You’re the best.
12.Sep.2005 9.00am
http://www.astralwerks.com/neu/default.html
12.Sep.2005 12.13pm
the only thing id add here is that “neue” isnt really pronounced noya, but noye with the e like in “feminist”.
timd: you mixed something up. something is “neu” (new), but its the “neue” (new one). this has nothing to do with feminine or masculine - there are no cases for adjectives in german.
13.Sep.2005 10.23am
When preceding a noun adjectives are affected by both gender and case
http://www.wm.edu/modlang/gasmit/grammar/nouns/gender.htm
http://www.cas.muohio.edu/~greal/netzgrammatik/grammar.html
17.Sep.2005 1.58pm
well, yes. i played this through in the train today and there are some adjectives that change, and some dont. neu is one that doesnt. “die neue schrift”, “der neue baum”, “das neue buch” (the new font, the new tree, the new book, all three cases are the same). i just didnt think about any other adjectives, thats why i wrote that (wrong) thing about no cases for adjectives in german.