Wish I could post a screenshot. No img src tag allowed?

My old icon/pic has disappeared. Will this reappear at some point, or do I need to create a new one?

i could never get the auto password mailer to send me a new password, so i created this account. but what do i do when i want to access uppercase content?

Image Upload: We had this working earlier, though buggy. It’s on the dev list, rest assured.

Icons: You’ll need to create a new one, 60x60. Think of it as your own personal Typophile redesign. :)

I don’t see an uppercase forum?!?

Uppercase Forum: It’s coming. We need to refine some of the security permissions so it’s truly private.

This is sort of related to the the bug I was experiencing before. As long as the URL does not get prefixed with the www subdomain, I appear to be logged in. If I go away from Typophile for a while (say, I actually have to get some work done...) and return using a link or bookmark which includes the www subdomain, It appears that I am no longer logged in. Once I click another link within the Typophile site, the www is not used and I am magically logged in again.

This must have something to do with the domain specificity of your cookies. Perhaps redirecting or doing a mod_rewrite on all www.* requests to a subdomainless address would resolve the issue.

You guys are running this site on Apache, right?

Old Accounts: We’re sending out an email blast with new user information. We’re troubleshooting the @typophile.com alias and hope to have that resolved asap.

In the meantime you can use my Personal Contact Form if you’re having trouble with a new or old account - I’ll manually enable your account or change email addresses as time permits.

Thanks

This is just a niggly little cosmetic gotcha. The bar graphs on the poll page overlap with the text labels and other bits (like Christian’s avatar in the example linked below.)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/splorp/12581429/

Are we going to be able to use <img /> tags that point to external servers - such as Flickr? Pretty please?

Yeah! Gimme img src tag!

Taking a peek at the Designers section of the Wiki, I noticed that Smartypants seems to be having its way with the term delimiters.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/splorp/12583491/

I see signatures as a bug. Unless they’re styled very small or gray, they just get in the way of real content.

Just testing the ’Reply’ function.

So is there any difference between hitting the ’reply’ button and just posting a new message?

John, No. We have the option to turn on threaded discussion but that typically causes a lot of clutter. Same with signatures; we’ve always shied away from these sorts of message board add-ons as they usually interrupt the flow of the discussion, wouldn’t you agree?

Ghost of Steuf has got to be one of the greatest things about the new Typophile. No better picture could accompany the statement “Yeah! Gimme img src tag!” Rarr! *Hiss*

Reply: the reply feature is a leftover feature in case we were to enable ’threaded’ discussions. Given that we’ve always avoided threaded discussions in favor of a chronological, linear thread, the ’reply’ is indeed the same as just posting a new comment.

Aah, how nice to ’finally’ have Typophile back up, again.. :)
Thanks a lot, to the people behind the curtain, for all your fine work..

( I may still have to find my way around the brandnew Typophile 2.0,
but, I already just noted that I am a ’Prolific Poster’ now.. :)

I’m sure you already know about the duplicate (sometimes thriplicate) instant messages. Would be nice to have an archive of IMs too, like an in and out box. I’d like to know what I sent.

Was finally going to get a Dingbat membership, I noticed the links to the tee’s arent working, nor the Join buttons.

Thanks for Typophile 2 guys! I’ve been awaiting this eagerly for a long time! I really appreciate all your hard work!

Okay, here’s the bug report.

* It seems that both on IE and FF (on PC) that the first post in every thread wraps around the avatar image (if it’s long enough) and in subsequent posts it doesn’t wrap around the image at all.

* When using FF on the Forums home page when you drag your mouse pointer over the links in the Prolific Posters and Active forum topics sections the headlines (or second versions of them) flicker above them (around 100 pixels).

* At the bottom of the page where you’re able to send instant messages the Go! button is located underneath the grey box instead of inside it.

I love the news section, and everything else about the site... I haven’t had a chance to explore too much yet. Plus the headlines are really great-looking (where you use that font-substition tech).

Will we be able to use our real names (next to the messages) when we post? I really liked that about Typophile, that people weren’t hiding behind aliases and you know who’s who.

Thanks again for all the great work... this is all I can think of at the moment.

>> Lauri Johnsen

Maybe you could / should add ’Blogs’ to the Menu at the top ( Forums, Typowiki, Projects, News, Resources, Membership ), or are these some kind of hidden treasures, one has to find first.? :)

And, one little, more or less bug, I just noted, when you preview your message / reply, there is the standard ’Typophile ’T’ Icon’ showing next to the message, instead of your own icon / avatar / symbol / thingie..

I’ve only started to browse through the new stuff, but it looks fantastic. Great job.

Here are a couple bugs to report:

I wanted to become an Uppercase member, but the link is broken. I tried to email the bot, first and my message was returned. So now I’m posting here.

I’m trying to give you money and I’m getting shut down. Guess my credit’s no good at Typophile

Couple of more bugs:

* It seems that when you log in to the site the Username and Password input boxes look different (IE and FF on PC). Username box is not as tall as the Password box, it has a light grey border while the Password box has a dark grey border. And on FF the Password box’s border turns blue when your typing something inside it (focus); this doesn’t happen with the Username box.

* Instead of quotes and apostrophies I see &#xy; codes in the list of forum topics and in the title bar of the browser.

* Also when your reading a forum thread the great-looking headers with the thread topic doesn’t show up on all pages (both IE and FF).

* Also the image for the smileys used in old posts seems to be broken.

Let me know if I’m being too nit-picky, just trying to help. :)

Thanks again!

As much as I love the new interface, the reliance on Flash is sort of annoying. I have Flashblock enabled in Firefox, and that renders a lot of the UI elements kind of useless. I know I’m probably being a reactionary nerd here, but am I just going to have to deal? Excessive Flash makes browsers sad on Mac OS X.

Lauri asked:
Will we be able to use our real names (next to the messages) when we post?

This is indeed possible. You can change your user name as it appears above your posts by visiting your user profile, clicking “Edit”, and editing the first field: “Username”.

- The instant messages do not like apostrophes, even straight quotes. They come out like this: “I’/m trying to talk with apostrophes”.

- I am concerned that not all the legacy forum posts were ported. For example, I posted about the FontBook before Typophile went down (see Google cache), but my post was not here on the new site, even though the posts in that thread following mine were preserved.

Stephen,

Thanks! I’ve got it changed now. Now we’ll have to get everybody to change their usernames so that we know who we’re talking to. It took me a while to figure out who “formlos” is. :)

Although the ability to change your username without re-registering is great but it might lead to chaos if people constantly change their usernames or try nabbing other peoples’.

Perhaps there’s a script that the admins could use to replace every account’s Username with their Full Name. Hmm, but then there may be login trouble? Better yet, just have the site refer to the Full Name in all instances (Who’s Online, post credits, IMs, etc) and leave the Username for login purposes only.

Well, Lauri, thats me, of course.. :)

( ’Dav’ that is.. :) And, I may second Stephens motion / suggestion to let the site refer to the ’Full Name’, rather than to the ’Login’.. )

I’m presuming this is Flash-related, but tabbed browsing (& opening links in new windows) doesn’t seem to work consistently. In Safari 2.0 (OSX 10.4), command-clicking on, say, the main navigation at top (“Forums,” “Typowiki,” etc.) loads everything in the current window.

Stephen,

Yeah, that would be best solution. Have a username for login purposes and then use your full name throughout the site. I tried logging out, and then using my old username to log in and that didn’t work, so I had to use my full name (case insensitive) to gain access to Typophile.

Also, it would be nice to have some space between your username + time stamp and your message. Because the way it is now, the username with the timestamp looks like it’s part of the message. This could be solved with some space, having your username in bold, a different color, put it in a box, or have a horizontal rule underneath the username. (Typophile 2.0 is still beta so I’m not too worried about all this).

You’re right Jonathan, that’s a flash thing.

- Suggestion: The contrast between type and background is just one level too low for me. I don’t need #000 on #FFF but things do feel a little muddy here. Same goes for the post separators. I liked the alternating post backgrounds of the old site. (White post, gray post, white, gray.)

Dav,

I figured it was you after checking out your profile (by clicking on the T avatar; maybe the username should eb clickable as well?). And from there I followed the link to your website and got your full name. After seeing people’s real names for so long usernames don’t mean that much... so “formlos” is pretty indistinguishable from “PantyRaider056”. :)

We *do* want to get back to real names, that was very Typophile. We’ll get there.

Ericgio, hang tight. We have some bugs to work out on the membership side; we have an automated membership thingy we’re debugging, and then we’ll let you know.

Should it validate?

Jared,

Thanks that sounds great! I knew that you guys would take care of it. :)

Should I change back to my old username if I want to keep it? So that I don’t have to use my full name to log in in the future...

Thanks again!

The header animation will get old really soon. I don’t like any of the annoying flash used. Message text and header blend in as in:

benson : Fri, 2005-05-06 05:02
Please post bugs you’re experiencing here.

Excessive absolute page width.

Agree with the width. I may have to go back to creating all my own linebreaks!

Where are the archives? And the search?

Looks great to me. How do I erase a post I have created accidentally though? I tried “edit” and then erase the contents but that’s clearly not the way to go...

It should be possible to post in the news section like in the old forum.

The accented letters in my name are changed to question marks in my account full name

Total number of posts! I know it encourages logorrhea, but seeing the post number of each post made it instantly clear how much of a regular each poster is / was. Can that come back with full names?

Oops posted this first on the announcement thread.

My request for new password on my old user name ‘billyb’ did not get a response, though the site posts a message that the password was sent.

I registered anew, and then tried again to get a new password for ‘billyb’ using my e-mail address. That responded under the new registration. Is my old user name dead?

I agree with Stephen Coles about the background - too little contrast, the old way was better.

Also, is there any way to edit posts for spelling etc after posting, as before? Or is this gone?

I don’t see activation of e-mail notification for threads that one participates in. Is this somewhere I don’t see?

It is excessively slow in comparison with the former site. The text of the section Post (to the right of the screen) is quite mixed.

I am also experiencing very s - l - o - w response from the site.

Thanks for all your hard work on improving the site!

othiym23 said: Excessive Flash makes browsers sad on Mac OS X.

Um. Since when? Maybe if you’re still running Exploder 5 on Puma.

I’m finding the new Typophile Flash bits flying even better than the previous version in Safari and Firefox.

First impressions ar hard to give. The new site is easy on the eyes, but hard on my patience. I second other posts about the speed (read: lack of). It’s a lot slower than the old one — and that was no speed demon either.
Furthermore I noticed coding instead of ampersands and apostrophes (eg #39;). Is that browser related or a bug or due to transferring the old files?

Of an other order: why is my identity not saved in a cookie or whatever? I hate having to log in each time I connect...

Oh yeah: the added wiki has enormous potential. Cheers all around.

I’m on OSX 10.3.9 / Safari 1.2.

A few minutes ago the forums were really slow to me, but now it seems to be fine.
A minor (but still annoying) bug I’ve noticed is that the IM box at the top never goes away (even though it’s been 1 hour since I received this message), and sometimes it multiplies itself on the screen (at this moment there are +/- 20 identical IM boxes with the same message, date, etc). I’m using IE, WinXP.

We’re trying to get to the bottom of the SLOW issue. Judging by the log at page bottom, there’s a huge number of simultaneous users.

Also regarding page widths: We’ve not yet applied full CSS to the Forums. Reducing page width is absolutely in the plan.

Every bug is being logged and prioritized, then tackled. Thanks for helping us out!

Omine: You’ve got to close the IMs yourself. They don’t auto-close to give you the option to see them in case you’re focusing on another aspect of the site across page views. (say, if you’re reading a long bug list thread)

They do double and triple up, which is really annoying. We’ve put that up near the top of the list because so many people are using IM right now.

Ok, first, great to see the forums back!

Ok, my list:

- server seems slow. Page loads take quite a while
- the site is still WAY too wide for my browser. Any change of implementing a liquid-width design?
- the time stamps on the post list are formatted in long text based on ’x minutes ago’. This is pretty useless. Very hard to scan through. Just put the date/time there.

Otherwise, looks great. VERY nice to see plain HTML formatting for replies...that’ll make things SO much easier.

Thanks for all the hard work guys...great forum!

Jared:
You’ve got to close the IMs yourself. They don’t auto-close to give you the option to see them in case you’re focusing on another aspect of the site across page views.

Of course. I should have thought about that.
So it’s a feature, not a bug. :-)

good work guys...props to the whole p-cut crew.

after you change your birthday and view the changes youve submitted it states the date of your birthday and then an odd symbol H;i i think...i have a screen shot if you want it.

Suggestion: If you were to BOLD the user name, I think it will aid in more easily identifying the user, whil helping the eyes “read past” the user name, and catch on the first word of the content.
One other thing that gets lost easily is the “paging” numbers at the bottom. Possibly a bold red may help to bring these numbers out. For example I read this thread several times before I realised there were multiple pages.

Thank you all for the hard work! A new Typophile and a job offer all in the same day. Wow! A great week.

I too would like to see the poster’s name in bold and alternating grey/white for posts as before. That would aid in quickly scanning the page for a particular post.

The typowiki is going to be a treasure trove of info. Great addition. it will be an amazing encylcopedia in years to come as it fills out.

Thank you again.

I too find the site to be a bit slow. Maybe I’m just impatient, but it definitely lags on every click.

Also, I find that when the date is the same color/size as the post text, that I get tripped up and take longer to follow the conversation. Maybe make it a little lighter and knock it down a point size?

But the new site is very cool. The type in the headers look great.

apologies for not keeping a record, but it seems that on the login page there was an error message which popped up that contained a grammatical error. I had two errors if that helps at all

Is it normal that I’m only seeing “user/(number)” instead of member names?

Edit: ah, seems ok now (2 hours later...)

The redesign is an effort at compliance with Web standards (as, for example, the use of the label element in forms), but you still don’t have valid code on the homepage.

The use of Flash is rather questionable at best, but if you really insist, you should use a custom DTD that makes it legal. At no time do you need width and border attributes or the font element. I also don’t think Typophile’s use of the b element fits within the edge case where it’s appropriate. Quite possibly you are also afflicted with a case of divitis.

It would not take very long to fix these problems. You’d still be less compliant than any of the type sites Jérôme Vogel has developed, but at least your markup is better than, say, Speak Up’s.

—
Joe Clark
http://joeclark.org/

two more fussy comments:

- Why is the initial post in Georgia, while the rest of the posts (the rest of the site, even) in Verdana? I only point it out because it seems a tad inconsistent.

- The pages are wider than 1024px, which is what I have my browser pages set, so I get a horizontal scrollbar on the bottom of the page. I think that’s a bit too wide for a simple forum site, but maybe I’m in the minority.

And your design is better than, say, Fawny.

(Geez, give it a rest, will you?)

***

Jared, Joe and anyone involved: This upgrade is sublime. Very elegant. My only suggestion would be to make the name, date and time that appear at the top of each comment to be bold. That way you would be able to skim the conversation quicker since those avatar thingies are sometimes non-descriptive.

Very nice.

Well this is all very nice isn’t it?

I do think that the page is too wide, and that the username and post date/time would be better with a bit more differentiation.

Oh and I seem to be another, whose new password email fails to arrive, so I’ve had to create a new account. But it’s early days yet, thanks for all the good work so far.

Yes, it does seem slow.

I note that Zara’s post to the ’Peter Saville tombstone’ thread has disappeared, and wonder if any other old posts have dropped?

My old icon/pic has disappeared. Will this reappear at some point, or do I need to create a new one?

here’s a tip: search for an old thread that you have posted to and pull your icon of that way. for example, for John Hudson, i know you posted to this thread:
http://www.typophile.com/forums/messages/4100/67524.html?1112801186
if you want your old icon, there it is...

Where are the archives? And the search?

tip #2: use google to search typophile that’s what i did for the post just above this one, in the google search prompt i typed “extrabold dcroat site:typophile.com” that’s how i’ve been searching typophile for sometime now since the old search function was buggy. you may not SEE the archives, but they’re still there...

We’ve moved to RSS instead of email notification. Threads can be read by 3rd party RSS reader applications or through the new Tiger version of Safari. (If you’re on a Mac I recommend NewsFire (http://www.newsfirerss.com/).

There are 4 RSS feeds - News, Forums, Blogs and All. Future iterations of the RSS feed will allow you to select different forum channels (Uppercase, Critique, Type ID, etc.)

Typophile RSS Feeds: http://typophile.com/feeds

Just to say, again, it’d be GREAT if we could go with a liquid-width design. The current fixed width is just too wide. If it must be static-width, please consider something <800 pixels.

Also, another bug(?). On the main page that lists the threads, there is a link on each thread stating how many new posts they were. Clicking on it would lead me to believe that I’ll jump right to the beginning of the new posts. However, that doesn’t happen. (Take this thread, for example). If you’re going to go with multi-paged threads, this is a really useful feature to get working.

Using Newsfire, the News RSS is coming back as invalid

IMs are duplicating. Maybe someone has said this already.

On the COMMENTS page the first sentence seems odd: Below is a list of the latest comments posted your site.

in regards to the width, it looks like changing:

#wrapper {
width:840px;

to

#wrapper {
width:90%;

would do the trick.

Hmm...maybe I can do this client-side. Thanks for doing this with CSS guys! Nice.

Steven Coles mentioned this, and it seems important: There are posts missing from threads, posts which were made just before the site was shut down. Is the archive used to build the new site old? Can it be refreshed? Now illogical gaps are appearing in threads....

Carl

Firefox turns into a gigantic RAM hog after you’ve been running it for a couple hours and browsing Flash site. Something in it is leaking memory like crazy. I notice this especially when I’m going to all of those photography flash portfolios so beloved by hip cutting-edge NOW photographers (http://www.ak47.tv/ is probably my favorite). For now, I’m just firing up Safari to get my Typophile fix, which is fine.

Are the forums connected to the RSS feed yet? http://typophile.com/rss should be feeding me everything, right?

HOTTEST threads should cover threads from a finite recent period.
We all remember Heavy Metal Typography (127 posts), and if not, we’ll be reminded of it
every day for the next year. But it’s not really hot any more.

When I first logged on, I was able to set message reading options such as whether to have the most recent posts appear at the top or the bottom of a thread. Now that I would like to change my selection, I find this option-setting mechanism no longer appears anywhere. Am I doomed to live with my initial choice, or is there a “secret panel” somewhere that I have missed?

Thanks - both for the response and for the new board, which is a great improvement over the last one!

When entering a long thread (like this one, with more than 50 posts), it would be nice to have the last page (with the most recent posts) loaded by default. The previous page/next page buttons could be duplicated at the top of the page too.

Re: “Liquid” screen width. I will only say this once: liquid sites suck.*

Statistically, 60% of the US has 1024 x 768 or greater screen widths. We decided that since our audience is mostly comprised of designers and design educators that it’s much more likely that you can accommodate larger widths. We intentionally kept the body area neatly kept under 800 px to account for the exceptions like yourself. In those cases it is only the login and advertising that you’re missing in that column. This allows us to get richer functionality without clogging up the footer.

* Since I’m a good boy and rarely say ’never’, I’ll just say it sucks most of the time. =) Show me a site that looks good at any width and I’ll show you Google News .

What about having forum navigation at the bottom of the page as well?

My old mouse takes a while to clamber back to the top of a page as high as this one.

Joe,

I agree, liquid screen width does not always work too well with bigger screens or the new widescreens. My screen’s 1680 pixels wide and if I have my browser maximized and encounter liquid designs they usually look too spread apart, or lines are way too long and hard to read. But there’s always liquid designs that don’t get bigger but only smaller... For example you could have a maximum width of 1030 pixels, and the liquid design would adapt to browser windows smaller than that, but then you would run into problems with columns being too narrow. It’s been a while since I read about maxwidth and minwidth, but if I recall correctly, the properties aren’t that widely supported.

Agree with Joe on liquid sites. That said, no one wants to read 25 words per line. I feel the main content column has to shrink at least 25%.

The wiki has problems with “bracket bracket term vertical-bar display bracket bracket” notation (if I knew how to quote that all, it wouldn’t be so ungainly — are there escape characters in SmartyPants?). If you have a quote or any other non-alphabetic character in there, the wiki parser spazzes out. Since one of the main uses I’d have for that notation is possessives on designers’ names, this is a bit of a problem. I’ve worked around it for now, but it would be nice if the parser were a little more forgiving.

Also, posting a new comment should take you to the page at the end of the current discussion thread, instead of kicking you back to the beginning.

The wiki can’t handle links to entries with an ampersand in their names — e.g. Hartley &amp; Marks. If you click on that link, you’ll be taken to a page on “Hartley”, which is not the same at all. Also, Hoefler &amp; Frere-Jones isn’t working, which is sort of embarrassing, given how integrally we’re using their type.

OK, last observation before I pass out for the night: the Wiki routine for canonicalizing names is totally out to lunch. http://typophile.com/wiki/edward_johnston, http://typophile.com/node/12146, and http://typophile.com/wiki/Hermann%20Zapf are all ways of pointing of pointing at the content. Why is this a problem? Well, http://typophile.com/node/12146 and http://typophile.com/wiki/Typographer’s%20Bible have the same categorization and the same title, but are different entries (even though they have matching content). I’m not even sure how they both got created, as in both cases I created them by clicking on a stub link in the entry for Elements of Typographic Style.

>it’s much more likely that you can accommodate larger widths

I’m sorry to say this, but the long lines are a fundmental typographical mistake, and very offputting, though in a way that people generally would not be able to put their fingers on.

Bringhurst says that “45 to 75 characters is widely regarded as a satisfactory length of a line for a single column page set in a seriffed typeface in a text size.” And a line of 66 characters he thinks ideal. He goes on to say “Even with generous leading, a line that averages more than 75 or 80 characters is likely to be too long for continuous reading.”

I couldn’t figure out why I felt so uncomfortable with the new design until I read the comments from others on the width. Then I counted characters, and I think I got up to 110. This is totally unsatisfactory.

I found in my own experimentation on Bringhurst’s recommendation that, to my eye, line length, in terms of characters, together with leading are the most important factors in comfort in reading - generally more important than typeface.

Please please please change the line length to a comfortable measure.

I was, after all, only talking about markup. Armin seems utterly unconcerned by markup, assuming, apparently, that Web pages are purely visual creatures rather than structural creatures with a visual manifestation.

Do check my archives for what I think of my design skills.

—
Joe Clark
http://joeclark.org/

Since you’re targeting “designers,” who tend to use non-braindead browsers, you can easily use max-width to control layout width. It goes without saying that you knew that already.

—
Joe Clark
http://joeclark.org/

When you post a new comment, you are returned to the first page of comments rather than the page you commented on.

—
Joe Clark
http://joeclark.org/

On multi-page threads, the links to the different pages could be at the top, so you don’t to scroll all the way down if you’ve already read the first one.

Gabriel, I’ve had the same thought myself.

Regarding line length. One of the things that keeps Typophile unique is that we try to promote showing, instead of always telling. The critique and type id boards are some of the most useful ’features’ because people are showing work in-line with the threads. So, that’s why we opted for a full-width content area for the forums. What has yet to be resolved is the CSS that controls line length for text and allows images to span the body area.

Joe,

I did some quick tests, and it seems if you use paragraph tags on all forum posts and add this to your style sheet:

.content p { width: 500px; }

And even if you have images withing the paragraph tags they extend to their full widths without stretching the text all way. Not sure how it’ll jive with the rest of your styles... but you can always give it a quick try.

Kudos for fixing the author line! It looks a lot better with the smaller font and the added space underneath.

A few small bugs:

• On the forums home page you can’t see any info about the critique section (Topics, Posts, and Last Post).
• The breadcrumbs don’t use consistent title case; forums is all lower case.
• On IE but not on FF, the forum posts seem to indent 3 pixels underneath the avatar image (slight image wrapping).
• When viewing a list of topics in the different forum sections, maybe have Last Post instead of Last Reply since all threads don’t have replies? Because now some of them say n/a and you can’t follow the chronology the posts that well. But if there’s no replies this would have the same info as Created. I suggest that the Created field would have the date and time, while the Last Reply field have the time that has transpired.
• Maybe have less space around a list? Same as between paragraphs.

I bet I’m sounding like a nightmare client by now. But if didn’t love Typophile I wouldn’t care either. Thanks for all you hard work!

it seems SmartyPants(TM) isn’t automatically creating links in some instances. For examples see the entries for Typo Magazine or Splorp.com. Of course one could go in and fix this with html tags, but SmartyPants(TM) should at least be consistent.

(and since i’m a lazy PC user, can we get SmartyPants(TM) to change things like (TM), (C), &c. to the real thing?)

Thanks for your comments so far. We’re working on the site performance, making sure that everything that should be cached is, and whittling down the big database calls. Though it is faster now that we’re through the initial stampede :-) Stay tuned for more features, better design and more stability.

i just deleted an instant message and was zoomed off to some xml page that looked kinda funny. maybe it’s an explorer bug tho?

SmartyPants(TM) confuses me in general. LOL

check this: http://feedvalidator.org/check.cgi?url=http://www.typophile.com/rss/news
prevents me from accessing the feed.

There’s so much white space on the right column. how about a "post to thread" link that I just can click without having to scroll all the way down?

An additional divider for page specific actions really would make sense here. between the account options and the RSS Feeds.

I just saw that I can’t re-sort the posts. A control on top would help, or in the aforementioned sidebar.

The Width Issue™: I hear Joe about the need to allow space for large images, but these are so uncommon on Typophile that it seems a waste of space to force the column (now 685px wide) to leave room for them all the time. Check out how the beautifully functional YayHooray manages the issue. The content column width is static, sized for text and smaller images (though maybe a tad too wide at 600px). On the rare occasion that an image extends beyond the column, that image floats, and the line width for text remains. I feel strongly this is both the most aesthetic and practical solution. Just shave a few pixels off the width.

On another note, though I preferred names and posting times in the left column, the new style is perfect. Thank you!

The names and post information, post #s, ranks, etc, will all fit into a left column, when we’re ready. We’re just not quite there yet. So expect the left column to end up around 150-180px wide, with the messages at right, uninterrupted by names, dates, or signatures.

DING DING DING! All my desires fulfilled!
(Nudge - plus <img src> and some sort of <small> tag?)

BTW, all my posts from before the redesign have disappeared. I hope I’m the only one who has experienced this loss, but I’d be interested to hear if anyone else got skipped in the transfer as well.

Yeah YayHooray is a nicely designed forum. I find it easy to read as well with the setup of the name and info to the side.

This is more of a feature request. I’d like to be able to get an RSS feed for a single thread. For example, I like to know immediately when someone posts to a certain few critique threads which I’m following closely. This is more interesting to me than knowing when a new critique is started, especially since new critiques begin infrequently but can last for months. If this is implemented, I’d like it if it was hooked up with a tag so I can subscribe by clicking the RSS address bar button in Safari.

This might count as a bug. The Uppercase Blog RSS feed items don’t say which blog the item comes from. There’s an author field for RSS items. That might be a nice place to stick the name of the author from who’s blog the item was aggregated. Admittedly it is kinda fun to guess who the author might be from the content and style, but still, I’d rather have it fixed.

Blue sky thinking here. I liked how the old typophile could email you about any thread you’ve participated in. So posting to a thread was the way you indicated that you wanted to be kept up to date on the thread. It’s a bit of a technical challenge I think to get that working efficiently with RSS but I’d to have something similar.

Another bug: Sometimes the flash titles don’t load for me and I have to right click and select “Play” to get the title of the page to show up.

I think Stewf Coles has the right idea there for handling images. Comfortable column sizes shouldn’t restrict image sizes. Large images shouldn’t make text hard to read.

About the left hand column. I like it empty like it is now. Now that I’ve been reading threads for a bit and now that everyone is choosing an icon, the blank space works to delimit the posts and makes it easier for me to scan to the right spot faster. Maybe the user names could be bold. I agree that the name used for the author of the post should be the “Full Name” and not the login.

About the empty right hand gutter, I’m with Frank Jonen on this. Lots of room that could be used for more controls. Maybe stick some thread pagination controls there. It’d beat having to scroll to the bottom of a thread to find the link that shows the most recent page.

Don’t know if this is a good idea, but it seems like there should be a Typeface category for the wiki. Not all typefaces should make it onto the wiki but there are a number of typefaces with interesting histories or which have been influential enough to deserve analysis and commentary.

Not a bug at all, but something I’ve found intriguing:

If I post here, it shows my username, but the background at the typophile home shows my ’real name’. If the background is able to display the real name, why not the forums?

The mime types are misconfigured on this server so that if you go to the location of an image (for instance, visit my user icon) it will download the image instead of displaying it in the browser window. Not much of a problem yet since it’s not possible to attach images to any post, but it might be when image uploading is fixed.

not a bug report, just two small comments:

1. i think the blurred, anti-aliased type at the homepage looks bad. i think an ultrafont or even a regular bitmap font (as in the old home) would be a much better choice...

2. i had a feeling that something was looking wrong when i saw the homepage for the first time. it took me a while to find out what it was: the shadows from the buttons and the “scroll-things” are reversed...!

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congratulations for the great work and thanks for the effort in correcting the bugs.

Since the (definitely favorable) change of the site, I had to renew my avatar, which is no biggie. But my subscription to the forums seems to have been erased. I can not find a way to edit my forum settings anywhere. Anyone else experiencing this? Is it me? Was it something I said?

Diederik

Look after Goodness & Truth
& Beauty will look after itself

bug: the homepage does not show accented characters.

Another solution on the problem of too many characters per line: make the type bigger. This will reduce the measure in characters per line, but keep the broad width for posting graphics, which is a good thing. I noticed that Tiffany, in another thread misread something, and put it down to small characters. With old guys like me, it is an even bigger problem. Have mercy! Also, have you now changed the text now to fully black? Still the contrast has problems. Bigger text would help solve this also...

The names of those posting is also too small for me, out of balance.

The moving 5 at the top was cute at first, but quickly wore out its welcome. And the outlying info at the right is ungainly. I agree with those who have said it should be at the top.

I love the new news feed feature, and am looking forward to exploring the Wiki feature. But count me as definitely not a fan of the new typography, which is seriously hard to read. :(

but it seems like there should be a Typeface category for the wiki.

i added Famous Faces yesterday. If you think it could be renamed to something clearer, feel free!

I just combined the two under Typefaces.

Bug: If I don’t let the page—homepage—load completely when I first open safari it doesn’t load. Even if I refresh it.

Re: “Liquid” screen width. I will only say this once: liquid sites suck.*

I’ll only say this once: fixed-width sites that are way too wide for my browser view port suck.

;o)

Statistically, 60% of the US has 1024 x 768 or greater screen widths.

That would mean something if screen resolution had something to do with browser viewport size. But it doesn’t.

If you want fixed width, fine...I’m not going to fight it...it is your site after all ;o)

But there doesn’t seem to be a strong reason TO go with fixed width...especially for forums. Ever time I visit your site, I need to stretch out my browser wider and hide my bookmarks pane...kind of a pain. ;o)

Granted, you moved to an all-CSS layout which is really nice, and means I can futz with the CSS myself to make it work as I need to, so we’re all happy in that sense. ;o)

In NEWSFIRE the CRITIQUE-CORPID shows up as “Typophile - Display”

is there a better way to get to the blogs than through our profiles?

NEWS and BLACKLETTER are still appearing as invalid in Newsfire.

I made a fix for the ’fixed width’ issue for those that would prefer a liquid layout:

http://mnteractive.com/tag-teaming-the-fixed-width-web-site/

It isn’t perfect (the flash text messes up a few things), but it makes the site much more usable—for me, at least.

few more ’bugs’:

The multi-paged threads is hard to follow. It’d be nice if a few things could be tweaked:

• a way on the main thread list to jump to the most recent posts, or, at the very least, a specific page within the thread.
• after posting a comment, have the thread go to the last page you were on.

Minor aestehtic issue:

The only visual division between individual comments is the white border between the very light grey boxes. This looks great on a CRT, but on my laptop, the grey is really washed out and it’s hard to see the division between each comment.

I can’t update my city / province in my account.
Also, the database seems to have lost all it’s accents (ex : Montréal, Québec)
otherwise, the new Typophile is great !

i just wrote a really nice blog, but evidently i took too long and was logged out. :^(
is that supposed to happen?

A very bizarre bug in http://typophile.com/node/12100. Tiffany created a link to the MacRhino page, but (at least on my browser), it links right back to typophile.com. No matter where you go, there you are.

I still don’t get SmartyPants. Can someone help me out by looking at my entry for James Grieshaber and tell me what i can do to fix this mess?

By any chance, is this new forum running on Plone? It seems to have some performance issues akin to another forum I visit that recently went with plone. Just curious is this is a Plone issue.

Weird shift after I post. The page, upon refreshing, shifts to the left. Noticed this three times in the blog area.

Page Not Found. This morning when I logged onto Typophile I had a reply to an IM I sent to another user. After deleting it, again upon reload, I was given a “Page Not Found” error.

re: concerning my issues with SmartyPants

the scrambled wiki entries seem to be linked to the TitleLink|TitleDisplayed entries, but i’ve had some buggy behavior with simple links as well. here’s another entry where SmartyPants seems to be too smart for its own good: LTC

maybe this has something to do with where the line is breaking???

In COMMENTS, when I switch to view by SUBJECT the titles disappear, or subjects.

On Firefox (Linux), I can’t click in the search box, making it useless. (Is there really a good reason for it to use Flash?) Of course this might be a bug in Firefox or the Flash plugin, but in any case it doesn’t work.

Plus the wiki linking is totally out to lunch, but I guess you’re on the case. (Kudos for the wiki - very cool idea!)

Hang on - maybe the search isn’t implemented yet, and that’s why I can’t click on it? Only just thought of that...

I agree that in forums a slightly larger font size might be a good idea. The lines do seem a bit wide for comfort. BTW do you use a pt size or a pixel size CSS? I haven’t checked. It may be that on a PC the fonts look fine but they shink on a mac - hence the winging. I guess I’ll have to check. If thats the case then a pixel size would solve the problem no?

Also- I really like the new features - My forum discussions.
& Active forum discussions. It would be cool to elevate them in the Ui so they were easier to access. Sometimes I read & read & the regular UI is fine but sometimes I am hoping to find out if anybody has answered my question or replied in which case the new links aree what I want & right away!

I do kind of miss the ’venacular’ photos. ( Sorry mr. Hoefler - I know you hate the term but your suggested substitute is too windy for me! ). It’s nice to see things in use! It’s nice to see the physicality & contexts.

I have been assuming that like the other greyed out UI elements the search is not up yet. Correct?

Maybe the IM stuff should be in it’s own window...

I wouldn’t mind it is the account info was intergrated back into the main UI & if the main UI was formated/css text. The site would loook pretty & minimal even with a dense UI header!

Cheers!

I think the Info panel that appears after an IM is deleted or such is about 3x too large.

not a bug... just more wishful thinking: since it is indicated by the treads that a certain # of posts are new, couldn’t clicking on that link show only the new posts? or take you to the beginning of the new posts? or even to the last page of posts for that thread? getting around typophile is a little choppier now with only so many posts being allowed to fit on a page.

I nominate a default of 100 posts per page rather than 50. Better yet, let the user change this setting in their prefs as you can on many forums.

Another nice user setting: subscribe to RSS feeds of individual threads. And subscribe to an RSS feed of the “My Forum Posts” threads.

it seems that the home page is displaying users’ instant messages to eachother. (in the large type illustrations behind the three content boxes) if this is the case, i think that that ought to be changed. but it would be nice to have new wiki posts show up, but not vitally important (of course).

Aha. What’s wrong with that sort of privacy being abolished? ;^)

NEWSFIRE BUG
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http://typophile.com/rss/critique/corpid continues to show http://typophile.com/rss/design ... in other words I’m getting the design stuff twice.

The enormous (but lovely) Typophile Film Festival graphic overlaps the ’Other News’ column on the main news page.

http://typophile.com/news

You might want to consider auto-scaling or eliminating images over certain widths from the news page. It looks fab on it’s own node page.

Maybe this isn’t a problem but I bet your sponsors will think it is. On Mozilla running Mac OS 10.3.8 the whole screen isn’t showing up so the ad on the right hand side is cut off. I have to scroll to see the whole ad. Not good for your sponsors.

I just got an e-mail with a new password for my old account, a week after requests using the ask for new password link, so thank you to whoever fixed this!

I can’t resist noting that over on typographica Nick Shinn says he is underwhelmed with the new design, and won’t be posting here for a few months at least. As the new functionalities are good, I have to think this has to do with the serious problems of readibility I have noted in this thread.

Trying to log on was hell. I gave up and waited 9 hours for a new account.

See the detailed account on my blog.

In content imported from the old version, accented characters have gotten turned into lurking invisible characters, so “résumé” has become “rsum”, with some invisible characters thrown in there (which I found out when I tried to fix the old entry — something I rapidly decided was probably not a good idea, as there was all kinds of HTML krud in there I didn’t want to wreck). cedilla already pointed to this behavior occurring in the profile pages, but I wanted to confirm that it also occurs on forum pages.

What the hell is going in to the “main” Typophile RSS feed? Even if I just compare the new entries in the tracker with what I’m getting in my feed reader (NetNewsWire 2.0), there’s a lot of stuff missing in my feed reader. Also, I’ve subscribed to a few of the other feeds, and they have stuff that’s not in the main feed, which is supposed to have it all, right?

Also, I think it’s imperative you add updates for comments, if only because right now that’s the only way we can even kinda replicate the behavior of the old site, where comments on threads we’ve created or commented on get e-mailed to us. That was an unusual but extremely useful feature, and I think the new Typophile is feeling less interactive for want of it.

Speaking of the tracker, it has an inconsistent notion of post ownership. Comments I make on forum threads show up in the tracker with the author of the original post that started the thread, but when I went in to the wiki to correct a trivial typo in the entry John Butler wrote for himself, the tracker started showing me as the author! That’s counterintuitive. It seems to me that forum threads should show the name of the most recent commenter, and wiki entries should stick to the original authors more often than not. Or modify the tracker to have a column for author and another column for commenter / editor.

I’m still getting all instant messages twice - they display twice (every single one) but when you delete one, both go.

Also, I notice that some Wiki entries (check the code for Stewf’s) show an image tag being included, but no image actually shows up.

Well, this is my first post in the new Typophile and I have to say that I´m pleased with the changes. There are only two things I miss: one is the shoutbox and the other one is that link that showed me the posts from the last day or the last 3 or 7 days.

I had a lot of trouble for getting my new password, I think I asked for it about 6 times, so as I could not log in I also tried to create a new account twice but the information about it never arrived to my email.

Now all of this troubles are gone (hopefully).

Nice work

the content in the TypoWiki seems to be doing some weird wrapping thing on WinXP in Explorer. Slightly annoying...

I can’t resist noting that over on typographica Nick Shinn says he is underwhelmed with the new design, and won’t be posting here for a few months at least.
How VERY, VERY sad!!! I was afraid we might lose some regulars with the switch over and I’m sad that Nick Shinn was one of them. I’ll have to email him directly and let him know i’m missing him!

Just joined and having trouble with your search facility.
I can see the box but it’s greyed out and I can’t enter anything.
thought it might be Safari but tried explorer and got the same thing.
is it me?
Also shouldn’t it be possible to see the replies to other peoples posts? because I cant find this either.
thnx

HHrrmm!
I can’t log in with my old user name. Shoulda known that ƒ would get me into trouble sooner or later but still: Is there some way to get my old profile back?

fredrik

I’ve noticed a lot of comments about the type size. Have those people tried up-sizing the text in their browsers? It works for me.

I miss the image upload for showing font matching/simulation samples on the Type ID Board, but I saw statements that it was coming back. Good.

I also agree with wanting real names displayed. I keep having to check profiles to be sure I know who some login names really are.

Generally I am excited about many of the improvements — it’s almost like moving into a new house in a new neighborhood, and yet finding that most of your friends are still living nearby.

I think what we are experiencing now is the result of trying to do too many things at once in a quantum leap upgrade. Some of it will take getting used to; some of it should evolve into something that we can all understand and use (Typowiki). There should be more and better tutorials for people who have not lived with these changes for the past x months. It would be nice not to have to know HTML to be able to format replies, but I’m learning (but not liking) to do more typing to get the end result I want on screen.

I know you’re all working hard. Thanks for trying to make it something we all said we wanted, even if it may have been too much to bite off at once.

- Mike Yanega

Paul, I’m an addict.
I eventually got sent my password, so I’m back.
I’m sure I will get used to the redesign, but will continue to curse it, just as i continue to curse all versions of Photoshop since 5, FontLab, InDesign, and OS X. What they have in common: too cute, too cluttered. in short, overdesigned.

I’m not against new functionalities, and can sympathize with all the hard work that’s gone into the Typophile revision. But I’m disappointed that the basic design of the threads is so poor:

1) Avatars too close to main column
2) Avatar format (square) unsuitable for portraits.
3) Main measure too wide
4) Main column flow interrupted by poster names, date, and reply.
5) First post type size way too big in comparison to basic text size.

Please:

1) Put some space between the avatar and the main column. An asymmetric, modernist (flush left) layout needs “white” space between elements.

2) Make the avatar shape portrait-proportion, which is natural for the shape of the human head.

3) Reduce the column character-count: typographic wisdom puts a good character-count in the 40s, but I’m getting over 100 here, which is severely dysfunctional according to most legibility and readability theories, and rarely appears in general usage, because it simply does not work.

4) Move the poster’s info under his/her avatar icon. That’s where it belongs.

5) Don’t put the intial post in display-size type. The intial post is not a headline, it is usually a number of sentences. That much copy does not belong in display size. It would not even be OK for the brief title of the thread to be huge, because with no “stepping stone” to the main text, the disparity is too great. When headline-size type appears in magazines and newspapers, there is usually an intermediary deck.

I like the new site and think it’s much faster than the old one.
These aren’t bugs exactly - but I have two issues with the redesign:

1. I think the initial post in a thread is WAY too big. It’s fine for a brief comment but when there is a lot of text it looks like it’s for the visually impaired. See, for example, the FAQ on the Type ID forum:

http://typophile.com/forums/typeid/faq

which leads me to

2. I’m an html moron - on the previous site it was SO much easier to create a hyperlink. Is there any way this can be simplified for the web-impaired?