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rstefan250's picture

I think it looks really really cool, and interesting. I was wondering if any one knew anything about this font. Or if anyone has the whole alphabet? Or at least something similar. The scan is from Schelter & Giesecke type specimen. Thanks

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donshottype's picture

Truly unique! I'd love to see a full alphabet. Sort of as if some one produced a monoline light version of Eckmann and added slab serifs.
don

Mike F's picture

The closest I know of would be Charleston. I've linked you to a repaired version by Character of a prior bad, anonymous digitization.

donshottype's picture

Good find Mike. The letterforms and finishing of Charleston are different, but the emaciated Eckmann feeling is spot on.


The _s_, _a_, _e_ and _Z_ in particular look appropriate. Making a near monoline with Charleston's proportions and adding slab serifs would be an interesting exercise.
Don

Birdseeding's picture

The squarish, reverse contrast feel of the original sample, and the little flag serifs, makes me think it may be subtly alluding to Hebrew writing.

Birdseeding's picture

BTW if anyone does digitize it, that capital "L" may want to be turned into a variant. It took me a while to figure out it wasn't a "G".

bojev's picture

You will notice Don took it for a G - as did I

Birdseeding's picture

Me too. It was only after googling the word that I realised "Lateinische" was much more plausible.

donshottype's picture

Johan, noting the _L_ issue, I agree that the Schelter & Giesecke version should be relegated to the status of L.alt
The proportions of the _L_ in Charleston are much less confusing.

Don

donshottype's picture

Johan, you might be right on the Faux Hebrew issue. There were such fonts among the offerings of early 20th century foundries.
Some digital Faux Hebrew fonts at Identifont http://www.identifont.com/find?font=talmud&q=Go and Luc Devroye's Hebrew simulation page http://luc.devroye.org/h-sim.html
One of the more interesting lower cases is in Sefarad http://guindo.pntic.mec.es/jmag0042/hebrew.html also Moses https://www.behance.net/gallery/9978243/moses-font
BTW, does anyone know the name of this Schelter & Giesecke font? It might give a clue as to what it was supposed to be.
Don

Mike F's picture

I didn't see that L as a G - but that was likely due to the context of the word it starts. Makes me wonder what the 'G' looks like.

I have to say that, while I am a huge lover of art nouveau type, I don't care for this one. To me, those square serifs on the bottom right make it look like some modern day neophyte's attempt to create a period-looking font. And it's not even done consistently. Note that the square block exists on the 'a' but not the 'd'.

Perhaps the faux Hebrew angle makes more sense of this? Nice observation, Johann.

Mike F's picture

This typeface also reminded me of another Schelter & Giesecke Jugendstil typeface, Edelgotisch (similar to the better known Eckmann Schrift). Luc Devroye attributes Edelgotisch to Albert Knab, 1901. He might be a leading contender for designer of the mystery typeface.

rstefan250's picture

Thank you all for your answers. It's a good start for trying to recreate that font.

Birdseeding's picture

Here is the full page: https://www.flickr.com/photos/n1ke/4856191305/in/set-72157624519443005/

Pity the scanner didn't also scan the fuller specimen I presume appears later in the section.

donshottype's picture

Thanks Johan. At least we now have a year, 1912 for this big book -- 816 pages according to the Flickr poster. What a wonderful assortment of type designs! That was definitely a golden age for font creativity.
It seems Schelter & Giesecke had a high opinion of this font, because they chose it as the font to make the section title for Roman titling and ornamented lettering.
The specimen book might be available in a university library but is probably not available for inter-library loan. It might be possible to obtain a photocopy copy of the page with this typeface.
WorldCat says copies are held in Germany at Deutsche Nationalbibliothek, Standort Frankfurt am Main D-60322 Germany Frankfurt am Main and Universitätsbibliothek LMU München Ludwig-Maximilians-Universität München, 80539 http://www.worldcat.org/title/hauptprobe-bd-1-schriften-messinglinien-us... OCLC Number: 718960323
There might be copies in other libraries.
These old specimen books sometimes become available on Ebay, but they are not cheap. Might be under the original title Schriftmusterbuch (Hauptprobe) von Schelter & Giesecke
Don

donshottype's picture

There is a copy at the San Francisco Public Library http://sfpl.org/index.php?pg=2000007301 It is part of something called the Grabhorn Collection -- a non-circulating collection. "Photocopies may be requested through the Library's Interlibrary Loan Service, or made directly in person at the Center." There is a phone number 415-557-4567 where you might be able to sort out exactly what page or pages you want photocopied. Your specimen follows section F. So, rather than try and find a matching page, you could ask for photocopies of the pages in section G. If you can get through the bureaucracy, the price will be nominal. Good luck. If you are successful it would be great to learn your results.
Don

rstefan250's picture

Thank you Don for your answer and suggestion. I would love to see the full character set of this typeface someday. I have found also another image with this font somewhere I don't remember even when. I am attaching it here. Thanx

Stefan

donshottype's picture

Many thanks Stefan for sharing the new image. The additional letters help to establish the logic of the design so that it might be possible to interpolate the forms of the missing letters.
Don

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