Lineare Serif from Argentina

fontime's picture

Comments are wellcome.


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nicolai's picture

Wow... I bet you

gulliver's picture

Hey! This is beautiful!

I don't think the serifs are too heavy at all.
In fact, it looks like they have just the right
weight for a comfortable book face.

VERY nice work! The only issues I see are
with spacing and kerning in the sample text

hrant's picture

I like it! It combines some classic elements (most of which I like), but is still a bit funky. I'm tempted to say that the serifs (well, some of them, like at the feet) are indeed too big compared to the stroke weights, but maybe that's what gives this design its vitality. As long as there's no serious detriment to readability, it's worth it.

Considering that the x-height is slightly large for a "formal" book face, I'd say the optimal size to use this at is maybe 11 point. However, this means:
1) The color is a bit light.
2) The spacing is a bit loose.

Some other general stuff:
- The cap size is very nice.
- I'd make the descenders a bit shorter. Or the ascenders a bit longer, and: shoot for like 12 point setting as optimal - this would mean the color is closer to optimal as it is - but the spacing would have to be even tighter.
- The trapping seems to be of a good strength - but it does need to be applied everywhere. On the other hand, don't bother with that until you've finished everything else.

Some specific stuff:
- I like the "a". A nice bit of de Groot in there.
- The beak of "f" could be stronger.
- The ear of the "g" could be stronger.
- The feet of the "h", "m" and "n" are too tight.
- I like the "j" and "k".
- Great "q".
- The beak of "r" should be much stronger.
- Make the "s" wider, in keeping with the overall character of the design (like in the "a").
- The "x" bothered me at first but now I love it.
- I like the "y".
- The tilde needs more tapering at its ends.
- Bring in the bottom curve of the "C".
- Lower the bar of the "F".
- The "J" is superb.
- The "M" is great.
- The "P" needs a bigger head.
- The "Q" needs help.
- The Pilcrow is great.
- The AE: I'd unify the bar, and make the "E" a bit stronger.
- I don't think that top-left corner on the eszet will work. And it's too tight at the feet.
- I like your Dollar, but maybe make the bars thinner.
- The numerals are great.
- Give the curly braces more character.
- I'm not sure about that Ampersand.
- I'd give the At Sign a monocular "a".
- I like your f-ligs.

Keep it up!

hhp

fontime's picture

Thanks for all comments.

News in red.


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eomine's picture

Great work.

Some quick comments:
-"X" is slightly wide;
-"Y" looks unbalanced. The right arm is kinda "shy";
-"T" looks narrow;
-IMHO, the descenders on "jy" looks strange;
-the figures "3456789" could be slightly heavier.;
-try making the bowls in "69" bigger;
-"3" looks strange to me;
-the round part of the pilcrow could be bigger, wider.

Overall, very nice.
I like the asymmetric serifs.

hrant's picture

Cool.

Some more ideas:
- I think you can raise the ascender of the "f" a little higher than the other ascenders, since it comes to a point.
- The tail of the "j" is too thin at its thinnest spot. And you might lower the descender more like for the "f" above.
- Maybe you should try making the tail serif of the "q" like the foot serif of the "d"?
- I think the beak of the "r" can get even stronger.
- The "s" is very nice.
- The "z" is looking too wide.
- Unifying the bar in the "AE" has made the bar of the "A" too high... Not sure what the best tweak would be.
- I think the Euro's bars could be thinner too.
- The "4" is looking wide.

Assuming you've now arrived at your desired vertical proportions (which I find very nice for book work now), you can start nailing down the color and overall spacing. I think the former is a hair too light, and the latter is clearly too loose. As a guide, I would point to the "pos" in "posici

kakaze's picture

The old

fonthausen's picture

You wont like my question, but did you start from scratch, or did you modify a typeface?

This is not meant as an offence, I am just curious. Because I think there are still some little style clashes within the alphabet.

-- Jacques

fontime's picture

This type born from hand-computer drawing, is not modify of other typeface.

See in San Serif Lineare Thin created in 2001.

cph's picture

> - I think you can raise the ascender of the "f" a little higher than the other ascenders, since it comes to a point.

I agree with this. I think the f stands out too much in text setting since the curve of the ascender is so sharp. I think Hrant's suggest might help remedy this. Since the f is so infrequent in your Spanish settings, you might try setting some English text with this to see how the f looks.

fonthausen's picture

Dear Eduardo, the reason I asked this question, was just to know. Starting a new font by modifying a different one isnt bad. When one should do this, he or she must be very aware of all the influences this might have on the final design.

You have several characteristics in your typeface, like the lc 'a' or 'f', which are very tipical. I just was curious.

Please keep up the good work!

--Jacques

fontime's picture

Thanks To all typographers.

News in green.


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hrant's picture

So we have 1600 registered members, but only like half a dozen with any comments on this design. That's a worse hit percentage than a telemarketer's cold-call list. Heck, some spam gets better return than this. If only I had a dime for every lurker... I could buy a Bilak font or something.

hhp

aquatoad's picture

Nice! It has a Journal (Emigre) quality to it, but is more regular.

Comments:
- Not sure about the serif on the j and J. It doesn't appear in your text sample. I'd get rid of it.
- 4, too wide and maybe get rid of the serif.
- 8, too big on top.

They lurk in their lurkims,
Way under the roof.
And quietly sit,
Eating miff muffered moof.


Randy

defrancisco's picture

Hi Eduardo, this is a great looking typeface!

I know I am late to comment, but besides some of the details pointed out by some other people, when I look at those samples, I keep having the impression that the lowercase "i" is unbalanced to the left side. Maybe the upper serif is too long? -- just a thought.

Enhorabuena y mucha suerte!

eomine's picture

Nice work, it's getting better.
I think I can see some style-crashing, like Jacques said, but mostly in the figures.
I really think you should work on those glyphs.
But the rest of the alphabet is working fine (structurally) for me.

Dan Weaver's picture

My feeling is if it isn't like everything else out there you have a winner. All these comments are good but they want your design to become part of the established main stream. Why not create the new main stream, keep experimenting, you might be the next Gill

eomine's picture

> Why not create the new main stream

I agree with that, but I think you're exaggerating a little here.
In type design, the difference between "mainstream" and "experimentation" is very subtle.

fontime's picture

What do you think about changes?

Excuse me all for duplicate item


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fontime's picture

What do you think about changes?

Excuse me all for duplicate item

hrant's picture

I think you've lost a little bit of the character with the new "f", but you've gained readability. I'm not sure which is better here.

Your text block is very encouraging.

hhp

fontime's picture

Some changes
- "f" legibility and style
- "t" new head

Thanks for all comments, Eduardo Tunni


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fontime's picture

Some changes
- "f" legibility and style
- "t" new head

Thanks for all comments, Eduardo Tunni

hrant's picture

I think that "f" is a great compromise.

hhp

fontime's picture

This is the last version of Lineare Serif.
Some changes are highlighted in red.

Thanks for all!!


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fontime's picture

This is the last version of Lineare Serif.
Some changes are highlighted in red.

Thanks for all!!

hrant's picture

Looking great!

The only things I'd really change:
- The beak of the "r" is too weak.
- The h-bars of the "H" and especially the "A" are thin.
- The top-left of the eszet is going to give you texture problems.
- Wassup with the currency sizing?

Almost there!

hhp

eomine's picture

My 2 cents:
- 'G' needs more balance (the vertical stroke should come to the left);
- 'x' is nice;
- '&' is leaning forward;
- '!' and '?' don't match the style;
- '@' should slant to the right?
- I still think your numbers are too light;
- and I still think it's a little bit loose (see the f-ligatures);
- the crossbar of your pound/sterling is too high.

hrant's picture

Oh, and about the spacing: too loose, but still very irregular anyway.

hhp

fontime's picture

Sample page with Book and Bold Version.


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lineare_serif_book+bold.pdf (30.0 k)

hrant's picture

Two things:
1) The spacing is loose in spots.
2) The Bold is too light to work as emphasis.

Otherwise very convincing!

hhp

fontime's picture

New weight in bold version for more emphasis.

Thanks

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hrant's picture

Perfect weight! Just a couple of observations about it:
1) The lc diagonals are too dark, especially where they meet (like in "w").
2) Numeral zero is too wide.

hhp

eomine's picture

I don't know, I think the bold looks kind of 'artificial' (see 's', for example).
I guess you could try a little more contrast.
Or maybe just thinning the joints?...

I see nothing wrong with the K.

fontime's picture

The lastest Lineare Serif


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aquatoad's picture

That is lovely! Kinda has a Mendoza serif treatment going on. Very nice. Two suggestions on your pdf: don't use a black background (toner conservationist that I am), I wouldn't recommend converting the type to outlines (it makes it easy to rip off your outlines, the file size skyrocket and the print quality to suffer) plus it's hard to preview on sceen with the jaggies

Stephen Coles's picture

What is happening with the Book 'K'?

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