Feynman Regular 1.0 a

matthew_dob's picture

Font newbie's first serious sans font: feynman Regular. This font was originally concieved as a bitmap font, which you can see in the Bitmap forum under UnNamed plain.

Was aiming to achieve roundness and flow, but kerning needs a little work. Haven't done capitals yet.

Please tell me what you think.

bloogle
Matthew Brown.

designalchemy's picture

Interesting. I see lots of signature design elements of several of my favorite typefaces in your design. Your lowercase "e" reminds me of (Dutch) Lust Foundrys' Pure, There is elements that remind me of Graphic Behaviours' Aspirin ( T26 distribution), as well as OCR B and Shifttypes' BetaSans. I like the balance.
Nice Work.
Is this an original or an extensive remix.
lust e.jpg

matthew_dob's picture

This is an original. Actually, the pixel font came first, created out of desire for legibility. The sans creation followed naturally.
Matthew Brown
P.S. anyone in the u.k. who reads the mostly useless magazine "create" may see similarities in one of the typefaces. This is purely coincedental.

Miss Tiffany's picture

the lc 'z' seems a bit wide too? and the 'v'? i really like the lc 'k' and i agree with david's comment on the lc 't'. yummy overall. i prefer yours to lust. even if they are from the same, can we say genus(?), yours has all the little bits boiled off.

designalchemy's picture

On the topic of remixing typefaces, De-construction, Revivals, etc. I think that it is nice to see old work reworked into something new. A good example would be the work of Swiss designer Cornel Windlin who created a rough typeface called FF Magda (fontshop/Lineto) which was the reworked into Magda Clean by Critzler. I believe it was later reworked into something else altogether. I would like to see more of this, as long as the original designers are getting the proper credit and fees. I would like to interest anyone in this type of collaboration with a couple of my own typefaces. (see Unicratica posting in SanSerif section)

matthew_dob's picture

a bit of flash for your delectation...

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fonttest.swf (2 k)


Matthew Brown

designalchemy's picture

I like the new @ symbol. I think the obvious solution would have been the @ you showed in the first image you uploaded. I usually like the less obvious solutions that require the extra creativity and thinking (outside the box). It is often the small details like this that get the licensing fees when I shop for fonts, and distinguishes the amateur from the professional designers. Nice work.

designalchemy's picture

I took a little time to stydy the letterforms again and think I see something that could use a little improvement. I noticed the counters on the thicker weights seem to have too confined counters which offsets the visual balance in the letterforms.I believe this is one of the drawback from generating multiple weights with software solutions such as Fontographer. I think the best way to correct this is to actually redraw the thicker weights so the letters are actually a little wider. This is obviously very time consuming so I guess it depends on what level you wish to take this to. Alias's Gareth Hague and David James's Metsys is a good example of what I am talking about. I spent $180 on this 5 weight face, which is more than I am normally willing to spend on a non-text family, but I have used it on lots commercial work, and in my opinion it was worth it. I think it would be worth the extra effort if you want to sell this font commercially.

metsys.jpg

matthew_dob's picture

This is a flash chat app I have been developing with a VB programmer friend.
getchatting

Matthew Brown

P.S. Is my font worth anything? and if so, how much? and where should I sell it?

hrant's picture

(Is this supposed to be here? Anyway...)

To sell bitmap fonts, you need more than quality - you need a reputation. But your name is pretty close to "Matthew Bardram", so maybe you have a shot... ;-)

hhp

hrant's picture

Of course, sorry...

Concerning interpolation, what I did in the case of Patria was the following:
1. Drew and digitized a weight close to what I thought Regular *would* be.
2. Made the two extremes by modifying that weight (starting with an automatic FOG weight change but then making the Light's thins thicker and the Bold's thins thinner*, for starters).
3. Cleaned up the two extremes to make them look nice on their own.
4. Dumped the original Regular.
5. Made two intermediate weights (the exact "location" of which depended on many things).
6. In order to maximize continuity, I did *not* clean up the intermediate weights, instead going back and modifying the two extremes to get the intermediates that I wanted.

* Although maybe I should have made the thicks thicker, considering the Bold might not be bold enough... I didn't leave myself enough room (maybe even on the light extreme), that's for sure.

Example of #6: If I saw that the lc "k" in the interpolated Regular had an upper arm that was too thin, I'd look at the two extreme "k"s to see which one was causing the problem (sometimes it was both), and did the modification(s) there, and then regenerate a new Regular.

So the eventual Regular was a little different (and ended up lighter) than my original design, but it wasn't really worse, and it was a "clean" interpolation. And I got a clean Demi with no extra work.

hhp

matthew_dob's picture

And some capitals...not sure about the B or D, would like comments

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typetest.swf (3 k)


Matthew 'Bardram' Brown

Stephen Coles's picture

Looking nice, Matthew. I like the leafy terminal
on the 'a'. Would you consider adding that to
other glyphs like the 's' or 'f'?

Stephen

Joe Pemberton's picture

The pixel version is in the bitmap critique. >>

anonymous's picture

It looks to me that, once again, any similarities are simply a consequence of there being only so many ways to design a font based on a strict grid structure. It's easy to see the grid structure underlying both Feynman and Lust Pure, and it looks like they have both used an identical or very similar grid. That, of course, does not imply plagiarism any more than Avant Garde Gothic can be said to have copied Futura. The ground rules are the same, but the path to completion is different.

Having said that, I should add that of the two samples, I prefer Feynman; although I do like the quirks of Lust Pure. I could easily see myself using either font.

One suggestion for Feynman: I would shorten the height of the lc "t" by one stroke-thickness (or one grid block, if you prefer). It looks unnaturally tall, especially next to a full-height lc "h".

You also might consider shortening the overhang of the lc "r" by the same amount.

Nice work!

David

anonymous's picture

Speaking of antecedents, there's a little Handel Gothic in there as well.

My two cents: The lc 's' needs work. The transition between the curves is sketchy, and I'd prefer to see the lower curve extend further to the right.

Joe Pemberton's picture

I like a lot of what you have going on. In
general I'm intrigued by the idea of robust
bitmaps (hand-built for screens) and outlines
working together.

I have to say though, that what I don't like
about your sample is the Handel Gothic-ish
bits. The m, the u, and the a seem somewhat
predictable. (Whereas I think the g, k, b and others
take a nice departure from the bitmap.)

I would love to see a sample setting with both
fonts working together--as they would on a
web site.

Joe Pemberton's picture

Hrant, if you were listening earlier, you would have
seen me ask for a sample of the outine face and
the bitmap running together...

The sample is nice. There's a clear connection
between the outlines and the bitmap. Good luck with it.

You're right about hand-drawing vs. the
automatic software stuff. I've heard designers
discuss hand drawing the 'key' weights (e.g.
regular, light, bold) and then using software to
fill in the other weights (e.g. extra light,
medium, extra bold, etc.).

I guess you'll have to decide how many
weights you want to do (or are worth doing).

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