19th c. display with slight Nouveau-ish bits, some extravagant serifs, and dotted Cs, Ds, and O's

arb's picture

From an ad in an 1886 edition of Little Lord Fauntleroy (Scribner's Sons, in case you have it!)

Also has nice alternate characters with double wavy lines in the bowls.

Go here and scroll to the ads at the end (page 211 on). http://books.google.com/books?id=kut_maWlSREC&pg=PA1&dq=editions:utrQn3G...

Do you know of anything similar?

Many thanks!!

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fvilanakis's picture

Close digital version: Uptown by Lazy Dog Foundry (1992)
More on Lazy Dog Foundry:
http://luc.devroye.org/fonts-25354.html
It looks like the font is available for purchase at FontFactory.com:
http://www.fontfactory.com/index.php/manufacturers_id/43

Another very close digital version: Monopol by George Williams (1993)
More about George Williams:
http://luc.devroye.org/fonts-25095.html

A sample of Monopol:

arb's picture

Wow, thanks.

That led to this, too: http://luc.devroye.org/EduardScholz-ZierschriftMonopol.jpg

I really appreciate it.

arb's picture

And this thread: http://www.typophile.com/node/59867

That ID seeker also had the dotted letters. So it sounds like it is Mother Hubbard from Dickinson Type Foundry that I want. I wish I could find it! Who has an ATF specimen book circa 1894? :)

fvilanakis, again, thank you for setting me on the right path.

arb

arb's picture

Looks like I am not the only one seeking Mother Hubbard:

http://typeheritage.com/community/revivals/undigitized/

donshottype's picture

As you probably know, specimen books from the era showed only phrases, not character sets. From the ATF Pacific Blue book of 1896:


Don

fvilanakis's picture

Hi Amy,
I'm glad I helped to find the roots of the font :)
Fivos

donshottype's picture

Cover, 1886:


Don

Mike F's picture

Interesting that the better known Monopol was the deriviative.

Don - Thank you so much for those images. If the first were shown on the Typophile critique forum, the font creator would be blasted for the uneven spacing and symmetry of the wavy accent lines. Anyone attempting to digitize the typeface would be faced with a decision about whether to retain or "fix" the quirks (I'd retain without a second thought). Also, according to Amy's Typophile thread link (thanks Amy!), those above-the-letters swashes were part of the typeface. Cool.

Regarding the second image ... cover of what? Amy's Typophile thread link initially gives a creation date for Mother Hubbard of 18880 -1895 and then narrows that down to 1880 to ≤ 1892. Your Cover image would seem to narrow that further to 1880 to 1886.

Only on Typophile, eh?

donshottype's picture

Hi Mike, Mother Hubbard was a Lady Gaga of fonts in 1885-88. Popular & bizzare.
Perhaps Mother Hubbard is the American adaptation of Zierschrift Monopol by Eduard Scholz of Vienna rather than vice-versa. Mother Hubbard has more alternates, which suggests an adaptation. There is no US design patent, at least that I that I can find.
The technology of the day included electrotyping, a convenient way to copy the physical shape of fonts made by other foundries. Font cloning and font piracy is a long standing practice in the industy.
As for the book cover, The book is "Benton's Self Spacing Type" Benton, Waldo and Company. https://archive.org/details/BentonWaldoSpecimenBooklet1886
A typographical specimen book showing the unit-set types developed by Linn Boyd Benton under the trade name "Self Spacing" type. Date of 1886 is inferred from a letter slipped into it.
Don

arb's picture

Don, thank you for those wonderful scans! The Lady Gaga of fonts!! I hope the THP crowd does indeed digitize it. I think it's lovely. Nice ornaments, too.

donshottype's picture

You're welcome Amy. If THP or someone else does digitize it, I hope they heed Mike's suggestion that it retain the quirks rather than fix them. Mother Hubbard is an excellent representative of the "artistic printing" movement of the 1880s and early 1890s. The wispy weight and variable structure expresses the feeling of an artistic movement that focused on world weariness, lassitute, and sensuality -- think Oscar Wilde -- rather than force and vigor. This is not a suitable font for creation by clipping together standardized components.
Don

arb's picture

"The wispy weight and variable structure expresses the feeling of an artistic movement that focused on world weariness, lassitute, and sensuality -- think Oscar Wilde -- rather than force and vigor."

Agreed, and note that it was still "pretty" enough to seem right for children's book advertisements. The dots and lines and the almost pennant-like serifs are the right amount of whimsical.

Type Historian's picture

Mother Hubbard, in all her glory with fabulous floating flourishes and original ornaments, has been digitized for posterity by two partners of The Type Heritage Project:
http://forums.typeheritage.com/topic/hubbard/

According to William E. Loy, this face was cut¹ by John F. Cumming for the Dickinson TF (Boston).² The earliest specimen I have examined is an ad in The Inland Printer, March 1886.

The designer of this face is not identified in the literature. My hunch is that it was Ludwig S. Ipsen, also of Boston:
http://typeheritage.com/jfc/jfc-04/ (sidebar)

These and many other revivals will be available for purchase later this year.

¹19th-Century Punch-Cutters: http://typeheritage.com/history/cutters/
²Loy, W.E.: Designers and Engravers of Type. In The Inland Printer 21:420, July 1898.

Cheers, Anna

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