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This looks like a photoset face from the 1960s or 1970s. In any event, it's probably not Victorian, and it's definitely not Tuscan.
Agree with Nick.
It's too swooshy for Victorian.
You could make something similar by using a fat Caslon like Grumpy [loosely based on based on ITC Grouch by Tom Carnase] as a base, expanding the width and stretching the serifs to a point.
This really does put me in mind of something that may have been originally done by a sign painter, all those sharp serifs look like they came from a chisel brush and that R really does seem to have a brushed quality about it. Although, the repeated letters appear just a little too identical, so it may well have been digitised later.
My feeling is that it's got to have some connection to a form of sign writer's Roman, not one that I can immediately find though!
Mmm... Delta Spur or Taroca - Nah, maybe not!
It may be worth a quick check with:
Nothing really convincing for me too. Hard to believe though that such a "small" rally could afford some designer enough talented to create such a work... R(e)ally a pity not to even find a name or something enough close to imagine a customization...
My humble contribution, collected during the search: Barclay Expanded PLINC (possibly same skeleton as Barclay Outline MTI), Hoban, Benguiat Caslon PLINC
Thanks Ryuk for the link to the rally. The lettering cleaned up for easy reference:
IMHO - I'm still convinced this has got to be based on the superb sign work of Frank H. Atkinson or Alf R. Becker.
You just have to look at the website, this "Stream Rally" is aimed at people who just love all that nostalgia, gold leaf and one shot enamel fairground artwork.
Just a thought.
Doghouse is right; it is hand-lettered. Careful examination of Don's enhancement shows small differences in the leg of the /R, the top serif of the /A and the top-left serif of the /N. I wish there was a digital version available; I really like it.
Careful examination of Don's enhancement shows small differences in the leg of the /R, the top serif of the /A and the top-left serif of the /N.
You may be right but I guess, even if it's pretty well done, Don's enhanced version comes from a cropped/expanded LD (72dpi) 306x643px leaflet cover which could explain the small differences that actually I can't even see :D
Whatever it is (scan, customization, hand-drawn...), I really like this lettering and would like to know more about it...
The differences are not that small. For instance, the /R in the top line has a curve on the leg which stops at the baseline while the /R in the bottom line goes below the baseline. It also appears there may be a slight difference in the slope of the left side of the leg of the /R. The top serif in the /A in the second line has a different shape and slightly different length than the /A in the third line (same for the /M). In the word "RALLY" the bottom-right serif on the two /L's are different in length plus there is a slight different in the overall width of the two /L's.
Again, you may be right. I'm probably too much stubborn and frustrated not to find anything on this lettering that I can't even accept what should be definitely evident that I don't know it :D
Actually, I'm still convinced these (minor and blurry) differences are due to Don's sample reworking :D
May be asking directly via their website would be our last chance to solve this mystery...
You're right with the suggestion to contact them. I've sent an email and hopefully they will reply with some good information. I would like to know the origin of it. I checked my wood type catalogs and it isn't there either.
Thanks again, George. Fingers crossed...
Yes the reworking is less than perfect. There are always tradeoffs in enhancement, which in this case is an attempt to make a larger image that conforms to what the human eye sees in the small image, rather than the blurry result of a larger image produced by simple magnification.
If one attempts to make the tapered ends stand out the letters become too bold and outline detail is lost, such as the notch where the leg of R joins the bowl. I chose to try and preserve the outline as close as possible to what the human eye sees in the original small image. This means that bolding produced during the process must be reduced. This has the side effect of truncating the long tapered ends. I restored them by sketching them back in as lines by hand. I did not make other changes.
As for the variation among letters, I find it really difficult to decide whether it exists or is a result of this process. Anyway, I don't see anything to dispute in Ryuk's summary.
Even if the originals are identical this does not mean it is a font.
A hand lettered alphabet can be photographed and images collated and repeated as required to make words.
Nothing new about this.
The brushwork style on the leg of R and the serifs suggests the use of a showcard alphabet. In addition to the Atkinson and Becker books there were a lot of printed specimens by other lettering artists. Some research might find it.
It would be an interesting project to use this as a basis for a neo-nostalgia font. The missing letters are an exercise for the inquiring mind. For example a Q with a tail derived from R.
In sum, my vote based on the information we have so far, is for lettering rather than a font as the probable source. Look forward George to whatever information the organizers might be able to give to you.
Thanks guys for all your thoughts, I'm now kicking myself, I saw a few of these signs dotted around near southwold and I was going to swipe one, strictly for evaluation purposes so to speak, ok to put on my office wall because the font/text is so great. Wish I had now, I could have got a better scan up.
If it isn't a font I'm gutted because I wont it, I've spent most of this week researching the sign and probibly know more about the event than the organisers plus I've probibly got their search rankings up too.
I've contacted the organisers but no luck yet. If I find out more I'll share it out, if it is a sign-writer then I'll approach/commission a full font and digitise it.
Alas, I've heard back from the organisers and after extensive research their end the original logo was created 15 years ago but by who they don't know. It was digitised a few years back but no font to speak of, so looks like it was created for the logo, unless someone can dig up the inspiration for the original font.
I finally heard back from them too, several days ago, but couldn't post their reply because typophile's servers have been out of reach for me. I've complained about that but so far they are still really slow. Tonight was my first actual successful access in several days.
Hopefully someone will take this up and make a font of it. That would be great!
Same here on the server side, it spools, locks and crashes constantly hence my double entry above, I hope they can sort it out.
Any way back to the challenge, I'm going to have a crack at the font and see whst comes of it any feedback would be welcome, the font/lettering is too nice not to complete and make public.
Totally agree, frisky! Really fell in love with it. Best to start would probably be to know which design studio did the last collaterals and leaflet, contact them and ask gently if they could provide the lettering as vector. Other option, would be to be commissioned by the rally organisation itself to develop a font.
Adding Centennial Banker LHF to the list of "similars".
Hi Ryuk, I'm in talks at the moment with the organisers to supply some digital files, failing that, i'll be purchasing some bolt cutters and liberating a sign over night for a better scan and office wall decoration.
Centennial Banker's a good call and a possible donor.