Typophile - Legato & points - Comments

Found it via Google (evert

verbosus — Thu, 9 Aug 2007 06:28:43 -0700

Found it via Google (evert bloemsma type:pdf): http://typophile.com/files/ff%20-%20legato_about.pdf

i think i have the pdf

paul d hunt — Thu, 9 Aug 2007 06:21:24 -0700

i think i have the pdf somewhere, if you want me to send it to you, email me at pauldhunt (a) yahoo . com.

Paul: I too am interested in

verbosus — Thu, 9 Aug 2007 06:14:01 -0700

Paul: I too am interested in about_ff_legato.pdf and in Evert’s work in general, it’s a shame that the Internet Archive didn’t save these images.

The wiki page for FF Legato doesn’t list any attached PDFs, though, what happened?

I got my hands on a copy of

paul d hunt — Thu, 9 Nov 2006 06:00:11 -0800

I got my hands on a copy of the pdf version of the legato page: Thanks Ruben! I’ve attached it to the FF Legato wiki page and started putting the images back in. Good stuff there...

also, if i can prevail on

paul d hunt — Tue, 7 Nov 2006 15:55:27 -0800

also, if i can prevail on the good nature of one of our Dutch-speaking members to translate The Dutch Wikipedia article for the English version of Wikipedia. Thanks in advance...

Do I/we need to get

paul d hunt — Tue, 7 Nov 2006 15:29:20 -0800

Do I/we need to get permission from anybody?

It might be nice to contact his family... I just would like to have the information, including images, to put into the wiki if it is not going to be available anywhere else online. I’ve already integrated what text i could glean from the web archive, but the text refers to images that are missing. If this is inappropriate, i will roll the entry back to a previous time.

You’re right. I have some

hrant — Tue, 7 Nov 2006 15:21:18 -0800

You’re right. I have some things he had sent me - I’ll have a look.
Do I/we need to get permission from anybody? BTW, the best person
I can think of to get this stuff back is Middendorp.

BTW, am I the only person getting spooked re-reading Evert’s posts? :-/

hhp

i guess it makes sense that

paul d hunt — Tue, 7 Nov 2006 15:06:24 -0800

i guess it makes sense that Evert Bloemsma’s site is not longer online, i tried to glean some of the information there about FF Legato, but apparently none of the file assets (images, pdfs, &c.) are chached by web.archive.org. Any suggestions on getting some of this information back. Does anyone know if FontShop has a copy (or does anyone have a local copy) of the pdf: about_ff_legato.pdf? hrant, do you have this? any help would be appreciated. it would be a tragic loss if this information is not preserved by the best means possible.

shylodog — Tue, 7 Dec 2004 20:23:20 -0800

Chris,

In otherwords

shylodog — Tue, 7 Dec 2004 20:18:19 -0800

Chris,

Post Cards for all.

Thanks Chris? You were "good for me". Explain it later.

dezcom — Tue, 7 Dec 2004 20:14:03 -0800

Kalla Xpistouyeva kai to vaporri sou!

Bon Voyage Gerald! This is what you meant when you said to me a while back, "I have plans." :-)

Perhaps now you can relax and be a happy man? You have done good work all your life, now go sail and enjoy!

ChrisL

shylodog — Tue, 7 Dec 2004 16:23:24 -0800

Hello Hrant,

I see you like poetry? A little more metre, a little more rythm and you are the "new" Walt Witman of Typography

BTW

you said that only "G"
Noordzij claims he makes
"direct" chiro fonts.
I don't see this at all.
I think:
Zapf for example
has made much more
explicitly
chiro fonts -
and so has Meier;
some things in his fonts
are consciously
anti-chirographic
as far as I can tell,
like the top terminal of the
"a" in Ruse.

Merry Christmas

John Hudson — Tue, 7 Dec 2004 16:22:25 -0800

If I were to choose one I'd choose chirography for sure. Because it's a less recognized issue.

If I were to apply the Hrantian 'everything is about personality' approach, I would be inclined to suggest another motive: you like a good fight. Also, analysis of notan and its relationship to readability is something that needs to be done, not talked about on Typophile etc. Indeed, it is difficult to talk about it, since both questions and answers are embedded in the design process: you ask the questions and answer them by designing.

John Hudson — Tue, 7 Dec 2004 16:18:36 -0800

When I used the term 'direct' it was to indicate the use of writing as a design process: Noordzij, as I understand it, creates his type designs by writing with a pen. Zapf and Meier, while their designs might be stylistically chirographical, draw outlines. Insofar as they might start with pen sketches, their designs are indirectly chirographic. This is, of course, true of many type designers, although you will find that actual practice varies consideraly between typefaces. I think SBL Hebrew is the only typeface I have ever started with broadnib pen sketches. If other designs are 'chirographic', they are only so in idea, not at all in method.

hrant — Tue, 7 Dec 2004 15:25:26 -0800

> I don't think you need to beat chirography
> down before you can start analysing notan.

- I don't see why I can't do both.
- If I were to choose one I'd choose chirography for sure. Because it's a less recognized issue. Most designers understand notan; they were just missing a good term until I jumped in. :-) Seriously, I think transporting "notan" from the Orient to here might be the only decent contribution I can make to this area. But the fight against chirography is just warming up.

As for the explicit versus implicit: you know, I sort of wish all the pro-chiro people were more explicit, because then things would quickly get worse and then get better! Non-explicit stuff is harder to fight. G Noordzij's formalisms are what most helped clarify my own thoughts in fact.

BTW, you said that only G Noordzij claims he makes "direct" chiro fonts. I don't see this at all. I think: Zapf for example has made much more explicitly chiro fonts - and so has Meier; some things in his fonts are consciously anti-chirographic as far as I can tell, like the top terminal of the "a" in Ruse.

hhp

Legato & points

geraintf — Wed, 17 Nov 2004 06:30:07 -0800

one of the most noteworthy font releases of this year has got to be legato by evert bloemsma. being a curious sort, i had a peek at the outlines. i was surprised that rather a lot of points are being used to describe the curves.

the green i is the legato outlines, the orange i is what i would have *expected* to see (ie minimum number of points)

i wonder if additional points are being added at the ’font development/output stage’ (ie. after the glyph has been drawn). if that’s the case, why exactly? is it something to do with format conversion?

typophile input welcomed.

cheers

geraint