Typophile - Question about Unicode - Comments

Thanks for the explanations

MiseEnAbime — Tue, 1 Apr 2008 00:21:13 -0700

Thanks for the explanations

If the alternate glyph

twardoch — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:52:25 -0700

If the alternate glyph represents a character that has not been encoded in Unicode on its own (nor it can be represented as a sequence of Unicode characters), but it has different SEMANTICS that the “basic” variant, and if you want this different semantics to be preserved when the text is extracted/searched in an electronic document (PDF), then you should use a PUA value and use glyph names like uniXXXX where XXXX is the PUA Unicode codepoint.

If the alternate glyph represents a visual variant of a basic character but semantically it still is the same character, you should not use PUA and use glyph names like basicglyphname.suffix.

Regards,
Adam

Thomas, I wouldn’t call it

charles_e — Sat, 15 Mar 2008 05:24:42 -0700

Thomas, I wouldn’t call it a *bogus* encoding, but a private one. So, for fonts having a quite restricted audience, private use encodings make sense; for a font to be generally released to the public, probably not.

For example, the medievalists with “Junicode” have essentially proposed a standardized private use encoding for some characters they need that will never have regular Unicode numbers. And our company, in our working fonts, gives all ornaments a Private Use encoding, on the grounds that it alerts an eventual user of the files that there is something in them they need to check, but if they don’t and the characters drop out, no real harm is done to the text.

I’d agree that for an alternate glyph, it is best not to use the PUA. The situation with Type 1 fonts was a similar conundrum, where characters outside the MAC or WIN standard name-based encodings were given the wrong name just to be included in the font. Any further use of a file that employed such alternates was a PITA.

With the multiple uses of a (single) text file today, a layout program that has to treat alternate glyphs as different characters — different objects — probably just should not have access to them. Font designers should understand that their product is not an end in itself; to have value it needs to be used. For those of us who use type, a certain consistency across fonts is important. The object-attribute model of OpenType helps with this; letting the features code give whatever typographic niceties the font designer wishes to include, while preserving the text file. Font designers shouldn’t then take away what that gains us.

“But you will lose access

Thomas Phinney — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 23:27:05 -0700

“But you will lose access to alternate glyphs in applications, which are not OT-savvy so it’s a good practice to put them somewhere in Unicode’s Private Use Area.”

The problem is completely true, but whether that makes creating a bogus encoding a good idea is a question that has long been the subject of heated debate. Adobe, for example, used to do this religiously in all Adobe OpenType fonts, but we finally decided to discontinue the practice in new fonts starting with Arno and Hypatia Sans (IIRC, I personally pushed that move).

Cheers,

Start with “Fonts and

twardoch — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 06:59:39 -0700

Start with “Fonts and Encodings” by Yannis Haralambous, followed by “Unicode explained” by Jukka K. Korpela (both published by O’Reilly).

Thanks.

MiseEnAbime — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 06:52:24 -0700

Thanks.

do I need to assign it an

kontrapunkt — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 06:34:08 -0700

do I need to assign it an Unicode code?

No, you don’t. OpenType features are operating on glyphs names. But you will lose access to alternate glyphs in applications, which are not OT-savvy so it’s a good practice to put them somewhere in Unicode’s Private Use Area.

Question about Unicode

MiseEnAbime — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 05:02:23 -0700

I’m designing a font and now I have two lowercase g (the normal lowecase g and an alternate g). I’ve assigned a name to alternate g (g.alt), do I need to assign it an Unicode code?

Second question, can you recommend me some book about unicode?