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“So, then, who made Times

dberlow — Sat, 12 May 2007 04:44:51 -0700

“So, then, who made Times New Roman?”
Monotype, recently.

Has the name Victor Lardent

Ehague — Fri, 11 May 2007 13:33:03 -0700

Has the name Victor Lardent been brought up yet?

So, then, who made Times New

BradB — Fri, 11 May 2007 07:20:35 -0700

So, then, who made Times New Roman?

One of the comments on that

G T — Fri, 11 May 2007 05:38:28 -0700

One of the comments on that bbc page.

’Two fonts walk into the bar, and the barman says, “sorry lads, we don’t serve your type”.’

Graham

“American shipbuilder

dberlow — Fri, 11 May 2007 04:42:31 -0700

“American shipbuilder Burgess. “
Burgess build no ships. He did however design boats.

>Don’t tell the Brits

timd — Fri, 11 May 2007 04:19:00 -0700

>Don’t tell the Brits though, because they think he’s still theirs.

Overseas aid :)

Tim

” TNR is definitely made

dberlow — Fri, 11 May 2007 04:13:34 -0700

” TNR is definitely made by a Britishman” Definitely so.
“designed by Stanley Morrison” Definitely not so.

“Verdana was invented in Redmond WA at a meetin” which means you never saw any of the precursors he drew...not in Redmond, and not in a meeting. ;)

People say the darndest things about fonts...;)

Brad, yes, some people

hrant — Thu, 10 May 2007 11:56:13 -0700

Brad, yes, some people believe that Times was in fact designed by Starling Burgess, an American ship designer. The article in APHA by Mike Parker is not unconvincing (sorry for sounding so English there :-).

hhp

Brad dear, I think David

fredo — Thu, 10 May 2007 08:32:24 -0700

Brad dear, I think David Berlow is referring to that American shipbuilder Burgess. Feel free to google.

As for Verdana, the facts

canderson — Thu, 10 May 2007 08:12:21 -0700

As for Verdana, the facts are what they are. Don’t tell the Brits though, because they think he’s still theirs.

http://www.designmuseum.org/design/matthew-carter

Verdana was invented in

vinceconnare — Thu, 10 May 2007 06:53:18 -0700

Verdana was invented in Redmond WA at a meeting. Built up in Cambridge MA, Redmond WA my office and some other ones, in Wisconsin, and Palo Alto CA.

and some boys and birds commenting Comical...

Times and Times New Roman

BradB — Thu, 10 May 2007 06:43:11 -0700

Times and Times New Roman were designed by Stanley Morrison in 1931 and 1932. Morrison is British (born 6. 5. 1889 in Wanstead, England, died 11. 10. 1967 in London, England). Granted, Times and TNR are based largely on Plantin, so I see why you may say they’re “not particularly British” but TNR is definitely made by a Britishman. It’s probably more “British” since it was commissioned for the Times of London newspaper.

On another note, I didn’t know Verdana was a rival for Helvetica... on the internet maybe, but not in print!

and Mr. Carter is in the

vinceconnare — Thu, 10 May 2007 05:41:12 -0700

and Mr. Carter is in the Republic of Cambridge, MA

““Helvetica’s

dberlow — Thu, 10 May 2007 04:41:32 -0700

““Helvetica’s rivals” were of British origin.”
Only from a British point of view. Times and Verdana are not particularly British, nor made by Brits.

(Please place argument here)

Helvetica's "rivals" according to the BBC

canderson — Wed, 9 May 2007 22:20:15 -0700

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/6638423.stm

It’s a general-interest piece on Helvetica. Perhaps only Typophiles would note that all the other fonts they chose to list under “Helvetica’s rivals” were of British origin. A coincidence?