Typophile - Need some ligature help/advice on Avant Garde - Comments

I’m sure I show my

jupiterboy — Sun, 23 Mar 2008 21:15:00 -0700

I’m sure I show my foolishness by commenting in this thread, but look at the writing of the time. Paul Krassner was one of many pranksters that wanted to violate the reader. How could Mr. Lubalin not rise to the occasion?

No wonder David Carson set that Bryan Ferry interview in dingbats.

The record label Great Stuff

Lance M — Sun, 23 Mar 2008 18:49:56 -0700

The record label Great Stuff has been using the ligatures heavily, what do people think of this?:
http://www.discogs.com/image/R-1036601-1190411238.jpeg
http://www.discogs.com/image/R-1022849-1185711980.jpeg
http://www.discogs.com/image/R-888483-1169485761.jpeg

maybe somewhere

vormburo — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:01:13 -0800

maybe somewhere here

http://www.typogabor.com/herb-lubalin/index_10.html

does anyone have any

SUEDE — Thu, 8 Nov 2007 15:20:21 -0800

does anyone have any examples of ITC lubalin graph’s ligatures and alternates? Just Curious...

> I’m afraid of how

Norbert Florendo — Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:39:56 -0800

I’m afraid of how younger designers who haven’t a clue about its history will abuse the alternatives.

I guess this applies to ANYONE “without a clue” young or old.
Even during Lubalin’s lifetime during the ’80s, seeing alternate ligatures running amuck was as bad as a sharp stick in the eye.

Postscript (meaning p.s.)>
ITC Avant Garde was just one of several typefaces with multiple ligatures, alternates and swishy-swashy characters — ITC Lubalin Graph, ITC Benguiat, ITC Bookman, ITC Zapf International, ITC Serif Gothic, ITC Ronda, ITC Gorilla, ITC Grizzly, ITC Busarama, ITC Zapf Chancery, just to name a few.

> You guys realize that we

engelhardt — Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:03:56 -0800

> You guys realize that we did that Savant Tard shirt, right? It was for that graphic that this thread’s question was intended.

Ha! That’s too perfect. (So, no — I didn’t realize it was the same source.)

Just a couple comments: -

pierattt — Thu, 5 Jan 2006 08:59:30 -0800

Just a couple comments:

- Lubalin is one of my design heros. So to say that young designers are unaware of the context of Avant Garde is a bit obtuse.

- You guys realize that we did that Savant Tard shirt, right? It was for that graphic that this thread’s question was intended.

Hm. I wasn’t implying this

engelhardt — Tue, 20 Dec 2005 06:33:21 -0800

Hm. I wasn’t implying this usage was a horror show itself.

However, it was in response to Dan’s orginal comment about young designers discovering the possibilities of the typeface for the first time with no contextual awareness of its orgin... perhaps to the effect of a horror show, or possibly even for greatness (as an idiot savant, which this is playing off).

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This does use an ’SA’ ligature, which was the original intent of this thread. Didn’t notice that when I posted it! More appropriate than I thought...

Horror show? It’s

Stephen Coles — Tue, 20 Dec 2005 00:02:30 -0800

Horror show? It’s beautifully done.

I love that

dezcom — Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:59:18 -0800

I love that Savanttard!

ChrisL

I agree that is a horror

Dan Weaver — Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:35:28 -0800

I agree that is a horror show but you haven’t even seen the worse that will happen. Its scarry.

> I’m afraid of how

engelhardt — Mon, 19 Dec 2005 14:29:34 -0800

> I’m afraid of how younger designers who haven’t a clue about its history will abuse the alternatives. It should be a horror show.

Dan, you could always award this little booby-prize for those who misuse the alternates/ligatures (or accidentally use them well?) :

[ http://www.iwasateenage.com/design.php?design_id=4 ]

Is Comic Sans has 10 or 15

sim — Tue, 6 Dec 2005 16:21:10 -0800

Is Comic Sans has 10 or 15 years old?

André ;^j

Arial? ChrisL

dezcom — Fri, 2 Dec 2005 07:51:04 -0800

Arial?

ChrisL

It’s interesting to hear

FeeltheKern — Thu, 1 Dec 2005 19:47:14 -0800

It’s interesting to hear how much older generations have a distaste for the overuse of Avant Garde. I see it with fresh eyes, so it doesn’t have the same baggage for me, although I can’t think of any application for it besides being a display face.

I’m wondering what modern-day overused typeface from the last 10 or 15 years is going to make a comeback 30 years from now and drive me crazy.

Need some ligature help/advice on Avant Garde

pierattt — Sun, 27 Nov 2005 13:25:03 -0800

Avant Garde Gotchic Book Alternates doesn’t have an SA ligature, so I’m looking at this.

So I tried this?

or this?

What do you folks think and do you have any suggestions? Any help greatly appreciated... I just can’t seem to get it right!