Type Battle 38 // Man vs Machine

Justin Styler
26.May.2009 6.35pm
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Draw a font for captchas that humans can read and machines can't.
About captchas: http://www.captcha.net/

Winner take all, no holds barred. May the best designer win.

// REQUIREMENTS

- Image size: 550 width x 400 height. 72 dpi*
- Color: Black and White
- Format: JPG or PNG (make sure there are no spaces in the name)

*Please try to keep your file sizes to a minimum! 50k per file max.

// ABOUT TYPOPHILE TYPE BATTLES

This is your chance to stretch your type muscles on a weekly basis. You have one week to create and submit your entry. Anyone may submit a design response to the challenge. You may enter as often as you wish. Post anytime. Critiques and comments are welcome throughout the game, from participants and spectators alike. Smack talk is encouraged.

As with any street battle, there is no panel of judges and no prize — only the ability to call yourself the best on the block.

Link directly to this battle: http://www.typophile.com/battle38
Link to the battle directory: http://www.typophile.com/typebattles

Joe Pemberton
27.May.2009 8.39am
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So far the machines are winning...


Thomas Levine
27.May.2009 12.03pm
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reCAPTCHA is the solution to the prompt; if computer's couldn't read it, they can't read it.


aaronbell
27.May.2009 12.53pm
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Well, reCAPTCHA takes advantage of the fact that there is inherent distortion and reduction of quality of letterforms via the fact they were created before digital fonts and then scanned afterwards. In addition, they add further distortion to create variable letter forms. Now, while it is well done and puts captcha efforts to good use, there are still potentially interesting results that can be created via this contest.

So, is it possible to create a font that humans can read but computers can't (or have extreme difficulty with) without the added benefits conferred via reCAPTCHA? Ultimately, nothing we create will be able to stand up to a program written specifically for that font, but there is still plenty of room for creativity and kooky concepts.


Joe Pemberton
27.May.2009 1.23pm
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That's like saying the solution to a faulty deadbolt is a chain lock. reCaptcha is a hack because Captcha is such a lousy experience.

Aaron you're right. You said what everybody here was thinking. The key in a battle though is to create the kooky concepts. The machines will catch up. They always eventually do.


Thomas Levine
27.May.2009 2.16pm
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Wow, I only just noticed my disgustingly wrong possessive that I unfortunately can't fix.

My point about reCAPTCHA is just that it uses the words that computers had difficulty with. The exact reason why the computers had the difficulty is separate.

And now I should come up with a real answer.


1985
27.May.2009 5.09pm
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This is the most interesting premise for a battle yet!


Scalfin
27.May.2009 10.39pm
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Can we nominate someone else? I ask because I'm pretty sure fatbob's optical illusion type could be a strong contender.


bijuneyyan
28.May.2009 1.33am
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Hmm..

here's a machine-looking font that the machines are possibly going to have a hard time trying to make sense of..

by the way, you can download this font from fontstruct for free..


bijuneyyan
28.May.2009 3.06am
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I just tried an OCR over the same image i posted above and this was the result:

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The computer was still able to recognize some of the words pretty nicely.. hmm....
and interestingly, the machine read "humans" correctly .. he he he :)

Gimme suggestions..


Jongseong
28.May.2009 3.12am
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bijuneyyan
28.May.2009 5.02am
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eliason
28.May.2009 7.48am
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My OCR program (OmniPage) read this as:

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altaira
28.May.2009 8.07am
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Craig, that is smart. An impressively simple solution!


frode frank
28.May.2009 10.54am
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Related, though probably to easily read.


aaronbell
28.May.2009 10.59am
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Wow, the responses are coming in already! I better get going on mine...

Craig's is just great — clean, simple and probably extremely difficult for a computer to manage effectively.


William Berkson
28.May.2009 11.14am
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Good idea Craig!


pica pusher
28.May.2009 3.28pm
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Loving these solutions!

Can anybody point to an effective site to test whether a font is machine-readable or not?


chrisherron
29.May.2009 8.25am
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Props to Paul Rand


fiestoforo
29.May.2009 8.37am
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This is my try. The idea is to deceive the program by giving false input.
Readers may be advised to type the letters they see in white.
Done in inkscape.
Rgs



pica pusher
29.May.2009 11.22am
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This is built from Myriad, so not really valid for the contest, but I'm interested as to how well it would work to confuse OCR:


oprion
29.May.2009 11.23am
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Dulcius ex asperis
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www.ivangdesign.com


bijuneyyan
29.May.2009 2.14pm
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@pica pusher,
that was nice.. simple and looks like it's gonna work big time...( didnt try though)

@fiestoforo,
just look at the picture with an eye as if a strong wind is there on your face... you'll come to know (why it was easily recognized by the computer when i tested)...

may be you should play a little with the size and weight of the negative text... but i think the OCRs will still tend to 'join the dots' to read the blacks...

-- eliason's was also a killer idea.. simple but it works!


Jongseong
29.May.2009 2.38pm
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Bijuneyyan, the whole point of fiestoforo's entry is that the reader should input the negative text, not the black. So the text easily recognized by the computer is not the correct text...


bijuneyyan
29.May.2009 11.15pm
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oops!... sorry!


Vladimir Tamari
30.May.2009 2.01am
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You get the idea - apologies for the flicker - I could not create a smooth animation! HEALTH WARNING: STARING AT HIGH-CONTRAST FLICKERING IMAGES MAY CAUSE EPILEPTIC FITS FOR SOME INDIVIDUALS...so please scroll away!


TATTOOFONT3D
30.May.2009 6.16pm
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sarll
30.May.2009 7.30pm
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The human perception rules


Sergio


Thomas Levine
30.May.2009 9.06pm
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The dots and lines in these wonderful responses could be replaced with characters.


diana
31.May.2009 8.22am
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Machine read dialoge, men read movie title


henrypijames
1.Jun.2009 7.51am
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I'd like to nominate Optica Normal, one of the TDC2 2009 winners. It's barely readable even for human:

http://tdc.org/images/tdc2_optica_full.jpg


dtw
1.Jun.2009 8.09am
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Ouch. My eyes hurt.


Sidney
3.Jun.2009 1.15am
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The one from henrypijames really had me trippin behind my desk, great concept face! But why do all these captchas need to be so decorative (with a few exeptions).


Franc isco
5.Jun.2009 9.32am
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That's only an idea.


Franc isco
5.Jun.2009 9.34am
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*


henrypijames
5.Jun.2009 5.16pm
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A paper shredder and some dirt:


Michael Hernan
7.Jul.2009 4.27am
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Man
Machine
Both Lose.

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thinkDM2
21.Jul.2009 12.54pm
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thought this would work, tested it so far, thought I would upload a quick example. not designing a font, just using a very readable one in a way an OCR wouldn't be able to read it.


Guad
27.Jul.2009 3.43am
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first stab...


Guad
27.Jul.2009 3.20pm
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another one all based on the same negative/positive idea. I don't think captcha can read it...


aluminum
28.Jul.2009 11.03am
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I think we're designing prettier CAPTCHAs rather than better CAPTCHAs. Which is great as I don't think there *is* such a thing as a better CAPTCHA.


danburzo
30.Jul.2009 5.10am
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Hello,

This is an interesting thread, I would have loved to be here when there was more action. I thought I'd add a technical perspective to the game:

1. Clever fonts for captcha don't work. You can instruct the program to look for certain patterns in the text so as long as those don't change, it's really not complicated to break the captcha
2. Animated captchas don't work either because you can easily extract and merge all frames in a GIF.

So the only valid concept thus far is to have a set of rules from which you can generate fairly different shapes so that a single program cannot deduce the rules.


sulekha_rajkumar
1.Aug.2009 4.08am
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Hi. I'm new here. Just wanted to know when the next challenge will be up. Is it monthly?


xXOXx
1.Aug.2009 6.27pm
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When the robots take over, we will need to cipher all messages by inventing new fonts — most lasting 17hrs before enemy algorithms decode.


BlueTypo
17.Aug.2009 10.05pm
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Hi, this is Miniblock another illegible font :)


bijuneyyan
18.Aug.2009 1.08am
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:)

The best was Michael Hernan's (userone) post!.. :P kudos!


BlueTypo
21.Aug.2009 10.05pm
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What do you think about Optica Negative...


typewagen
27.Aug.2009 3.29am
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francis bold
17.Sep.2009 6.49pm
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Never done ones of these battles before, so i thought i'd give it a go.


xpome
16.Nov.2009 9.49am
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smth i did for abc book this year:]


matthew_desmond
16.Dec.2009 6.19pm
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Just a bitmap/gestalt type idea here. Kidding with the whole Blackletter thing, heh. Although, you could use unconventional forms like blackletter or script to fool computers I would think. It would make it hard on people, though. I can barely make out the letters in some of those captchas.


Vladimir Tamari
21.Dec.2009 12.49am
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It just occured to me that if the purpose of the excercise is to allow the human to merely select a sequence of letters, say CBDD for login purposes, several lines of complete alphabets can by displayed with the letters to be selected indicated by color, underline etc. The selection rule (color or underline etc.) can be changed at random. For example the instructions for CBDD would be "choose the bold letters shown within asteriks"

AB*C*DEFGHIJKL...
A*B*CDEFGHIJKL...
ABC*D*EFGHIJKL...
ABC*D*EFGHIJKL...


Michael Hernan
31.Dec.2009 10.04am
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@Luey my machine just exploded!


Panda
2.Jan.2010 5.13pm
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Obviously, I've been listening to Kraftwerk:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T65NpyfPkQ

///Gerardo Ruiz Babsia///


timsamoff
4.Jan.2010 6.48am
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@Vladimir Tamari: Right. Why couldn't there just be string of regular text letters, where the pertinent letters were bolded (or a different font)? That way, the CAPTCHA would work like...

Please enter the correct letters to proceed:

A[B]CD[E][F]GH[I]J

The answer: BEFI

SO simple.
--
http://samoff.com


bijuneyyan
5.Jan.2010 1.45am
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@tim,

well, I've two things to say:

1.It's easy to code for such strings of letters and find the odd ones out. That even eliminates the need of 'reading' an image. And just to see how interesting the way softwares are working these days, try google sets!

2. This battle is about "creating typefaces" which can be read by humans but at the same time, make it difficult for machines to figure it out. (And not about the solution to the real problem, there could be plenty.)