Type Battle 28 // Defiant alphabet

Ngoc Ngo's picture

// TYPE BATTLE 28

1. Create an alphabet Draw the letters in the word 'defiant' where the stem width is 1/2 the x-height.
2. Then, design the word "defiant". Extra points for creating an fi ligature.

Winner take all, no holds barred. May the best designer win.

// REQUIREMENTS

- Image size: 550 width x 400 height. 72 dpi
- Color: Black and White only
- Format: JPG or PNG

// ABOUT TYPOPHILE TYPE BATTLES

This is your chance to stretch your type muscles on a weekly basis. You have one week to create and submit your entry. Anyone may submit a design response to the challenge. You may enter as often as you wish. Post anytime. Critiques and comments are welcome throughout the game, from participants and spectators alike. Smack talk is encouraged.

As with any street battle, there is no panel of judges and no prize — only the ability to call yourself the best on the block.

Link directly to this battle: http://www.typophile.com/battle28
Link to the battle directory: http://www.typophile.com/typebattles

nina's picture

Thanks, guys :-)
I tried to fix this a little …

pica pusher's picture

sort of surprised not to see anything like this yet...

pica pusher's picture

Lots of great stuff so far. Altaira, how many entries have you put in!?

Anybody notice that when an a is that bold, it starts to look more and more like a schwa?

nina's picture

Um… just two, pica pusher, although one of them in two variants. I'm not the wildest one yet ;)
Nice script treatment btw!

Zara Evens's picture

I spy cheaters. Who is *not* drawing from scratch?

;)

rubenDmarkes's picture

My favourites so far are Quincunx's and Randy's first one. Here's to defying!

Jos Buivenga's picture

>I spy cheaters. Who is *not* drawing from scratch?

That must be me. I thought I read the instructions very carefully ;-)

Quincunx's picture

>> That must be me. I thought I read the instructions very carefully ;-)

Well, me too, technically. Wanted to draw from scratch, but time at the moment. So I thought better to post at least something. :)
Plus I'm currently working on that typeface, so it kinda is from scratch. :)

Bendy's picture

Quincunx, hope we can see the rest of your design soon. It's really nice. I think my second favourite is the Caramel one. I'm impressed by all of them actually.

@Zara...Yas. I suppose only my second two should count as the first was only tweaked, not drawn from scratch. ;)

beejay's picture

1. Create an alphabet where the stem width is 1/2 the x-height.
2. Then, design the word “defiant”. Extra points for creating an fi ligature.

Winner take all, no holds barred. May the best designer win.

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I don't think you did anything wrong Jos ... unless there were other rules besides the two above?

I'm not spotting the cheaters, either, hmmm.

maybe someone needs to define the rules a bit more. At a site of type designers, it's natural that people would dig thru their archives and find some letter styles that might work, stuff built-from-scratch, but not necessarily this week.

- going by the rules, nobody has created an entire alphabet (a-z) solely for this, have they? Does the term alphabet imply 26 letters?
- there's lettering to create a logotype. (the rules don't forbid it)
- the rules don't say to create something 'brand new', do they? Maybe this goes without saying, I dunno.

Ngoc or Zara, help us out here because there's some confusion. :D

Jos Buivenga's picture

Thanks Brian, I knew I was't doing anything wrong ;-)

To make this battle more fair ... Just use the same tool I did to defiant you existing designs.

Randy's picture

Here are the consequences of defiance. My cheat is color.

dezcom's picture

I did draw all of mine completely from scratch but I did not do a complete character set. I did not think that was required!

I also have a few typefaces in the works that fit the brief but didn't post them because they were not done specifically for this contest. I do not see that it is written in the brief though so I can perfectly see how some people could have assumed it was ok.

ChrisL

JordanSheldrick's picture

My eyes are stinging a bit from tiredness, so I'll probably hate this come the morning...

Joe Pemberton's picture

Ngoc, I took the liberty of revising the rules to represent the intent of this battle.

The battles are usually and by default designed to get you drawing type, not remixing existing work. Of course, key battles specifically will ask you to remix existing fonts -- Battle 2: Franklin Gothic Swash anyone?

beejay's picture

dang @ the color specs, missed that. :(

randy that's awesome, finish and release!

late edit @ joe: okay ... for someone new coming to the thread, maybe it could just state that up top? :)

gonna draw something brand new later in the week.

Jongseong's picture

Drawn from scratch, check. Black and white, check. F-i ligature, check. Somewhat incongruence uncial-inspired forms, check.

Zara Evens's picture

There is nothing in the rules that says *you must follow every rule exactly…* but I suppose the hopes and intent are that you would create something original (I thought I spied a modified Goudy Heavyface, but I"m probably wrong because I stink at Type ID). Thanks Joe, for revising the rules.

What I said should be taken with a grain of salt. As it says in the initial post - "Smack talk is encouraged." I am just here to give you a hard time. If you haven't noticed, I don't often participate myself because I can't draw type very well - therefore one could argue that I shouldn't say anything :)

- going by the rules, nobody has created an entire alphabet (a-z) solely for this, have they? Does the term alphabet imply 26 letters?

Actually, yes. A few of people have created entire alphabets, and entire typeface families based on their own battle entries.

dezcom's picture

"A few of people have created entire alphabets, and entire typeface families based on their own battle entries."

I have in several past battles done this (including Froggy from the Cooper Black Ligatures battle) but not in this particular battle. I will do the rest of the alphabet tomorrow to be legit for this time.

ChrisL

typerror's picture

Tuesday Chris, no wiggle room... and that includes caps, numbers, punctuation, diacritics and at least 1000 alts and 25 fi ligs!

Michael

jupiterboy's picture

I believe this violates the black and white only rule. Anyway, I gave it a shot. Nice work everyone.

Christian Robertson's picture

Vertical stems are half the x-height. Horizontal stems are nearly half.

Stephen Coles's picture

Randy and Christian - We get at least one marketable alphabet from you two with every one of these Battles. No exception here. Really great stuff. Don't be so humble and shy (or is it perfectionist/indecisive?), put 'em out there!

Randy's picture

Christian, I'm curious to see how you handle the cap E, and letters like r as these letters, defiant, are very weight friendly (big boned?). I will say that this is the most legible ultra-gordo i've ever seen. I think an interesting exercise in type design is to do a crazy heavy like that, and then try to get the same character in a light version. Bonus points for direct interpolability. Sounds like next week's battle!

Stephen/BJ, thank you for your kind words. Now I need a cracking whip. Looks like some OT calt will be needed for smart high/low joins. Should be interesting: o-r would be a strange combination.

Ruben, I like your Pressig-style clipped one. That is the technique I use to rough out characters or lettering. The danger is that sometimes I fall in love with the clipped-ness and cant find the same charm in a smooth version!

Ngoc Ngo's picture

Well, well. Looks like you managed to bend the rules in your favor. That's so defiant of you!

I'm so proud.

Keep em coming guys! Great stuff so far. Would it hurt, though, to throw down a full alphabet? Now that it's not in the rules, I say it's the best time to do it! :)

Ngoc Ngo's picture

Randy, nice suggestion. I'll add it to our list.

dezcom's picture

"...I think an interesting exercise in type design is to do a crazy heavy like that, and then try to get the same character in a light version."

Randy,
I still have 4 weights to go but the idea I have been working on is close to what you said. Here is a quick sample:

ChrisL

nina's picture

Oops, I missed the part about the full alphabet. I did draw from scratch, but only those letters in the word. Luckily, I realized that late enough for the rules to have changed since. :-)

Quincunx's picture

>> Quincunx, hope we can see the rest of your design soon. It’s really nice.

Thnx, Bendy. It's actually a version of the typeface I've posted on the crit board quite a while ago. It has changed considerably since then, though. Had not worked on it or a few months, but just picked it up again. :)

rubenDmarkes's picture

Randy, actually my last entry is based entirely on a single regular lowercase A I drew some time ago… the straight lines all come from that! They were all there. :P But it is true that it looks much more interesting as a fat face.

It's a bit disappointing to see you folks so stuck up on rules… I kind of thought it all started out as a joke and then some people took it seriously! As Zara said, she was only smack-talking. There was no need to change the rules… this is what makes rules so great! Especially vague rules! They give us a chance to find ways around them! In fact, I was assuming that was the whole point, being that we had to design the word “defiant” and that the whole thing was a challenge… :P

Richard Brooks's picture

Not very original I know, but it's my first time.

Quincunx's picture

You need to change that 'e'. ;)
Make the bowl/ear on it vertical as well, so it will fit nicely.

Michael Green's picture

my first post in a battle. be gentle

Michael Green's picture

jos takes it imo

Richard Brooks's picture

Thank you Quincunx. You are totally right.

It's not terrible, but it's a bit more marker pen than the minimal black letter i was going for.

I do like the ligature on Jos' first entry.

Quincunx's picture

Personally I like Christian Robertson's entry.

beejay's picture

It’s a bit disappointing to see you folks so stuck up on rules… I kind of thought it all started out as a joke and then some people took it seriously!

says the guy who has posted nothing but BLACK, rule-adhering glyphs????

Oh, I see, you're defiant in your letter spacing, I get it.

/end trash

and I'm (mostly) kidding Ruben, but c'mon now.

i'm all for defiance and rule breaking and thinking different. Clearly, that's where the best stuff usually comes from, in art and design.

but given the climate around here, the mob-mentality in certain threads (papyrus), and a vague call of cheating from a typophile moderator, you kinda want to be on the *right* side of the rules...so it helps to know what the rules are.

:D

Bendy's picture

>> I thought I spied a modified Goudy Heavyface

Zara, that could be my second one, I drew from scratch, but admit there is Goudian style to it, unintentionally! I guess I'll take that as a compliment?! :)

EColeman's picture

I'm particularly fond of beejay's, but I'm a sucker for long, curvy descenders.

Here's my second comment ever on Typophile, and my first type creation. I'm still getting used to the fancy ruler I just bought, so there's a lot of uneven lines in there driving me batty.

Zara Evens's picture

Bendy, you are right about the Goudian influence - and I do think yours is superior, btw.

Everyone is doing such great work here - regardless of which rule was broken - you all impress me daily. What I love the most is that so many new folks are posting here for the very first time! The battles bring out the lurkers and I think it is great.

So quit your bickering and keep drawing!

Bendy's picture

Thanks! :)

Quincunx's picture

>> The battles bring out the lurkers and I think it is great.

Yeah, that's great. :)

I think the 'what are you working on now'-thread from a while back should also return. Or whatever it was called. That was an excellent thread too!

bemerx25's picture

Defying all sense, I'm actually submitting something...

miha's picture

Hm, this is very geeky! :P I actually made every pixel by hand and it took too much time! I guess we can call this pixel art for LCDs or subpixel art. It's definitely the new term (probably because nobody was so deviant to do such thing manually). And yes, technically it is not B&W, but it seems so at original size.


I like d very much, it has a nice ink trap. On my 133 PPI monitor looks great :)

Christian Robertson's picture

@Randy - Don't tempt me. I've got too many irons in the fire already (to Stephen's point about actually releasing some of these things :-) BTW, props to all the folks throwing down on a type battle for the first time.

Joe Pemberton's picture

Zara says she can't draw type very well. Pffff. Check out this entry from Battle 2: http://www.typophile.com/files/zed_franklin.png

Typedog's picture

Here you go

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